FC: More on police carcam that recorded cop brutality, dog-killing

[Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>]

[Catching up on old Politech threads and back email this evening... 
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Subject: RE: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop brutality, dog-killing
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:59:37 -0600
From: "Harvey Silverglate" <has () silverglategood com>
To: <declan () well com>

This story, which does not surprise me, proves the sanity of my
long-standing proposal for reducing police abuse: Establish a system
whereby 40% or so of the members of a police force are civilians trained
to do the job but whose tenure is only 5 years. Not being "lifers,"
these folks would maintain a "civilian mentality" and would serve to
"civilianize" the police force. Had there been, for example, a
substantial number of such civilian cops in the precinct the night Abner
Luima was pulled in, he would never have been brutalized, because the
civilians would have been a virtual "Fifth Column" and blown the whistle
-- no "blue wall of silence." It's the reason we'd be safer with a draft
military rather than an all-professional volunteer force of lifers.

                                Declan

Harvey A. Silverglate
Silverglate & Good
83 Atlantic Avenue
Boston, MA 02110
Ofc. tel. 617/523-5933

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From: "Matt Del Vecchio" <mdelvecchio () visi com>
To: <declan () well com>, <politech () politechbot com>
Subject: RE: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop brutality, dog-killing
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:03:30 -0600

declan,

heres an update to that story, as well as a (free) link to the video.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_1660897,00.html


Matt Del Vecchio

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To: declan () well com
From: DDeKok () patriot-news com
Subject: (SPAM?) Re: FC: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop 
brutality, dog-killing
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:38:36 -0500


Judging by this website, it appears the Smoaks veered into some Southern 
gothic nightmare...

http://www.putnampit.com/pithome.htm

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From: "Matt Del Vecchio" <mdelvecchio () visi com>
To: <declan () well com>, <politech () politechbot com>
Subject: RE: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop brutality, dog-killing
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:06:31 -0600

declan,

also, heres a link to the Cookeville PD info page, w/ phonenumber and
website info...let them know how you feel.

        http://www.usacops.com/tn/p38503/

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From: "Matt Del Vecchio" <mdelvecchio () visi com>
To: <declan () well com>, <politech () politechbot com>
Subject: RE: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop brutality, dog-killing
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:19:38 -0600

also, here is the THP contact:

http://www.state.tn.us/safety/thp/districtsix.htm

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From: "Ben Serebin" <ben () serebin com>
To: <declan () well com>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030109155204.02a16598 () mail well com>
Subject: Re: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop brutality, dog-killing
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:37:34 -0500

Hello Declan,

        I was speechless after watching the video and immediately e-mailed
the reporter with WSMV Nashville to find out how I could donate to a legal
fund to assist in taking appropriate actions to fire this officer and insure
this never happens again in Tennessee. If you could find this info out just
in case I never hear back from her, I and I'm sure many others would
appreciate it.

Fucking police officer... I wonder if he would like getting shot point-blank
in the head in front of his family.

-Ben

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From: "Ben Serebin" <ben () serebin com>
To: <dave () farber net>
Cc: <declan () well com>
References: <BA4351EF.2E3D2%dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] stay clear of Tennessee  --   Police surveillancecam 
works: Shows cop brutality, dog-killing

Hello Dave and Declan,

        I can't explain how outraged I am.... I even contacted the reporter
within Nashville to find out about starting a legal fund.

        I strongly recommend people contact the following individuals and
depts and make a call for action.

TN Governor Don Sundquist dsundquist () mail state tn us
Dept. of Safety Email.Safety () state tn us & jscott3 () mail state tn us
(Commissioner)
AG of TN sflair () mail state tn us (Paul Summers)
Governor's Highway Safety Office art.victorine () state tn us (Director) &
joe.sutton () state tn us (Occupant Protection Coordinator)

-Ben

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From: Steve Mann <mann () eecg toronto edu>
Message-Id: <200301100931.h0A9VYCh019147 () genesis eecg toronto edu>
Subject: Re: FC: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop brutality, 
dog-killing
To: declan () well com
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 04:31:34 -0500 (EST)

The CNN site says "To watch the video you must be a subscriber".
That raises an important question: Who owns police video?

If the taxpayers own it, it should be freesource.

Another reasonable ownership criteria would be
Subjectrights (http://wearcam.org/subjectrights.htm)

But selling it online like this smacks of Piracy (in the original
sense of the word Piracy, as in "Piracy and Privateering") and
profit from someone's misfortune.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:22:56 -0500
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () firemountain net>
To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Cc: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
Subject: Re: [IP] stay clear of Tennessee  --   Police surveillance cam 
works: Shows cop brutality, dog-killing

Like many people, I'm sickened and outraged by this.  I would fully
support the death penalty for this murderer: in fact, I believe justice
would be best served by having his family handcuffed, forced to kneel,
and watch as he's killed with a shotgun blast to the face -- and the
whole thing should be broadcast on CNN.

---Rsk

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From: "Chad W. DIdier" <cdidier () cdsupportservices com>
To: <declan () well com>
Subject: RE: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop brutality, dog-killing
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:56:38 -0500
Organization: C.D. Support Services


>[Note the family had committed no crime and were stopped erroneously in
the
>first place... (How many hardened criminals travel with their family
and,
>in a second car, the grandparents?) --Declan]


This is the major problem our police have in handling any citizen.
They're training is so militarized as to prevent their common sense from
prevailing in these situations. It a law enforcer's eyes we are all
guilty when his training is set loose upon us.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:03:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: FC: Police surveillance cam works: Shows cop brutality, 
dog-killing (CONFIDENTIAL)
To: declan () well com

Declan,

If your readers would like to make their voice heard
over this outrage, they can write to:

Robert E. Terry, Chief of Police
Cookeville Police Department
Public Safety Building
10 E. Broad Street
Cookeville, TN 38501

And email the governor of TN:
Governor Don Sundquist
dsundquist () mail state tn us

The cop's name is officer Eric Hall of the Cookeville,
TN, police dept.

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