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FC: Slate privacy roundtable (#2) -- Privacy, technology, free speech
From: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:30:08 -0400
[Here are some excerpts. Check out the URL for the full exchange. --Declan] http://slate.msn.com/code/BookClub/BookClub.asp?Show=6/7/00&idMessage=5461&idBio=174 From: Eugene Volokh To: Declan McCullagh and Jeffrey Rosen Subject: Privacy vs. Free Speech Posted: Wednesday, June 7, 2000, at 8:26 a.m. PT Dear Jeff and Declan: I much enjoyed both of your posts, and I must say you both paint tempting pictures. Jeff, the way you describe it, it might seem to some (though your book is often far more cautious than this) that much privacy-destroying investigation is actually useless to the investigators themselves. Had Starr not probed so deeply into Lewinsky's life, he wouldn't have been misled by his "confus[ing information] with knowledge." Tearing away our masks isn't just cruel but also doesn't really show anyone our "true sel[ves]." So we can have privacy and better decisionmaking, too--such a deal! But I'm not sure I can be so sanguine. Life is a long string of decisions based on necessarily imperfect information. Do we trust someone in business? Should we send our child to a particular preschool? Is this witness telling the truth? Should we support this candidate or this judicial nominee? Virtually none of these decisions can ever be based on a full understanding of people "in all of their complicated dimensions." Some of the decisions will be rich in some kinds of context, but of course all will always omit something. We don't fully know ourselves, much less anyone else! [...] From: Declan McCullagh To: Jeffrey Rosen and Eugene Volokh Subject: Do the Math Posted: Wednesday, June 7, 2000, at 1:40 p.m. PT Dear Jeff and Eugene, Many thanks for your thoughtful posts. Let me try to respond to the points both of you raise about how effective privacy-protecting technologies can be. Just to be clear, I'm talking about email-scrambling services like Hushmail, hard-drive-encrypting programs like PGPdisk, and distributed systems like the one Zero Knowledge Systems has created to provide at least somewhat-anonymous Web browsing. In all three cases, the underlying encryption technology is based on the laws of mathematics--so if you use these products and the programmers did their jobs, your privacy no longer depends on the whims of Congress or society. Jeff correctly says these technologies can protect "responses to clickstream data collection in cyberspace," but in truth they're much more useful than that. For example, if I'm chatting with friends using Hushmail, my e-mail will be stored in scrambled form on their servers--and the company won't be able to decrypt them even in response to a subpoena. If nothing else, that would have given Monica Lewinsky additional protections from Kenneth Starr. Compare this to Microsoft's notoriously snoopable Hotmail service, or Yahoo's practice of turning over information in response to subpoenas without notifying its users. Another example: We can choose to trust police not to do illegal wiretaps, even though history and the recent LAPD scandal suggest that would be unwise. Or--and I argue this is a better idea--we can use technology instead of the law to shield our privacy. Starium is designing a product to scramble phone calls, and Speak Freely does it for Internet telephony users. I'll bet Newt Gingrich wished he had cell phone conversation--even though such snooping was illegal. [...] Let me take this up one level of abstraction, if I may. It seems to me that there are at least three ways to protect privacy: 1. Prohibit people from collecting personal information (restrictions on using scanners to eavesdrop on cell phones, for instance). 2. Prohibit people from disclosing personal information (reference Jeff's discussion about laws passed in response to Robert Bork's video rental records being disclosed, or Brandeis, for that matter.). Given the technologies--extant and forthcoming--we now have, it seems to me that the third is the most appropriate one for the future: 3. Never give out your personal information in the first place. Best, Declan To: Declan McCullagh and Eugene Volokh Subject: The World Wide Water Cooler Posted: Wednesday, June 7, 2000, at 3:22 p.m. PT Dear Eugene and Declan, I've been misunderstood and taken out of context! (Not by you, gentlemen, but indulge me for a moment.) What author hasn't felt this after reading a book review? To be reviewed, by definition, is to be narrowed and simplified, to have your arguments presented through someone else's filter. But it's impossible for authors to avoid subjecting themselves to this sort of indignity, because reviews are necessary to persuade people to buy books and evaluate the arguments on their own. It would be silly for me to demand privacy after writing a book, because the point of writing a book is to express myself, to speak to readers, and perhaps to influence the way they think. (Now is the time for the wanted gaze.) Still, if I got a bad review in a very prominent publication, I would feel like my dignity had been assaulted and my public face had been misdefined, and I would use all the resources at my disposal to correct the misrepresentation. But no one would suggest that I should be able to sue the reviewer and have a judge settle the question, because ultimately the merits of my arguments and the true nature of my personality would be a matter of opinion, and mine might not be the most reliable. 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