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FC: More on enonymous' privacy ratings, and a rant on infomediaries
From: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:23:33 -0400
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From: "Thomas Leavitt" <thomasleavitt () hotmail com> To: declan () well com Cc: shari () clickrebates com, chris () clickrebates com Subject: Re: FC: Enonymous.com's privacy ratings include errors, oversights Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:04:13 PDT DeClan, I'm not surprised.Their privacy rating for my company's site (ClickDough.Com) was/is factually incorrect.http://client.enonymous.com/client/snapshot.asp?host=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clickdough.com&submit=submit Says "Share without permission." Quote from our privacy policy (stars inserted for emphasis):We are a permission-based marketing company; this means that *you are in control* of how much information you share, how it is used and who sees it.[...]Demographic and profile data may also be collected at our site. We use this data to tailor your experience at our site, show you content that you are interested in, and display the content according to your preferences. This information is shared with advertisers on an *aggregate* basis, this means that we will *not disclose* your name, email address or *any* other personally identifiable information to anyone **without your consent**.Emphatically, we do not share user information without explicit consent. We are a "trusted infomediary", handing out our user information willy nilly would obviously not work.Obviously, *someone* must have read/visited our site, because they have a link to our privacy policy, but they obviously don't bother to actually read the privacy policies they rate.Thomas
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "K. M. Ellis" <protozoa () tux org> To: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com> Subject: A rant on infomediaries (was Re: FC: Enonymous.com's privacy ratings include errors, oversights) As a privacy advocate, I give enonymous.com's infomediary scheme a privacy rating of 0 out of 4 stars. When you check a site's "privacy rating" the histogram makes it clear that they track the surfing habits of their users, match those habits with the age, gender and "left brain/right brain" status, supposedly so that Enonymous can then broker that information to marketers. This tracking apparently occurs even if the site the surfer visits does not wish for information to be collected about its web site visitors. By checking the privacy rating for www.privacy.org, which I maintain on behalf of EPIC, I disovered things about the people who browse the site that I have no business knowing, and would never care to know. I have no desire to run targeted advertising through my site. Enonymous has compromised my own stated privacy policy, at least as far as poor suckers who use their software are concerned. This all goes to show that utilizing an infomediary is a poor choice for any net user who cares about privacy. Infomediary systems do not enhance the overall privacy of net users. By taking the ability to determine what information is collected out of the hands of the webmasters who create the sites it can frequently make things worse for users, privacy-wise. Make no mistake: infomediaries such as Enonymous are hungry for consumer data - they generate revenue by gathering and sharing it. User privacy is a peripheral concern, a red herring used only for public relations. Furthermore, while user profiling and other technologies that are bad for privacy is certainly the norm for commercial web sites, is it truly a prevalent practice? If I constantly allow one organization to monitor each page I browse, allowing them to block some kinds of information from pernicious profilers but at the same time letting them collect information where it otherwise would not be collected, am I really better off, privacy-wise? Unfortunately for web surfers worldwide there is no recourse against companies who do not abide by their own privaacy policies; a stern talking-to from Truste is really the worst they can expect to suffer, and only if they're a member. If privacy policies were regarded as enforceable contracts between users and e-commerce companies, there would be no need for middlemen such as Enonymous. --------- K. Ellis -- KB3CWP -- protozoa () tux org ------------- http://www.tux.org/~protozoa -- Personal Page http://www.privacy.org -- The Privacy News Portal Each white tablet contains only inert ingredients. -----------------------------------------------------------------
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