RE: Metasploit perception

["Harris, Michael C." <HarrisMC () health missouri edu>]

I don't think the Metasploit perception has anything to do with free vs. expensive.

Metasploit is maturing nicely, its loudest proponents perhaps less so.

It seems Metasploit's most vocal proponents are seen as young and inexperienced or even perhaps uncouth or lacking in 
professional experience.  There is a perception that they are all high school and college kids blabbering about how 
cool Metasploit is or how well Metasploit works against XYX in a microcosm.

Metasploit is simply one very useful tool in the Kit. Keep in mind the tools you use should change depending on the 
target and the intended outcome.



-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Matt Gardenghi
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:42 PM
To: woman
Cc: s3c.b3n; pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Pentesting lab

Um, you just said that Metasploit is a script kiddies tool.  Not sure if 
your define script kiddies tools as "free" and professional tools as 
"expensive," but that statement is ludicrous.  Most (all?) pros that I 
have ever heard of/met/read use Metasploit.  You can't go wrong with it 
and frankly, I'd stand it up against Core Impact any day of the week.  
The difference is that Core has a better interface.

But, seriously, Metasploit isn't a skiddie tool, it's a powerful tool 
that happens to be free.

/rant

On 2/10/2010 5:25 PM, woman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just keep your expectation on low level when you will tell at the work
> interview about that you are using metasploit.
> In the real word at the security companies this tool is considered as
> tool for kids under age 12.
>
> Additional thing:
> Someone here wrote about malware analysis. I don't think that you have
> to study both subjects at one time:
> One subject is pen-testing and second subject is malware analysis.
>
> For doing pen-testing you have to gain a huge knowledge NETWORKING -->
> protocols and relevant RFC , devices; bridges, routers, switches, etc
> ...
> For doing malware analysis you have to know Operating System
> infrastructure -->  processes, memory, etc ... and of course C and
> Assembly
>
> My advise : just leave malware analysis for later time.
>
> -----------
> Woman
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:20 PM, s3c.b3n<securitybender () gmail com>  wrote:
>    
> > This link is really amazing.
> >
> > Thanks a lot
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:32 PM, charles watathi
> > <charleswatathi () gmail com>  wrote:
> >      
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > For a detailed review of what you can setup when coming up with a
> > > pentesting lab, kindly check the link below. It includes most of the
> > > labs you should setup,security challenges and where you can go and
> > > "train"
> > >
> > > http://blog.securitymonks.com/2009/08/23/learning-by-doing-hacker-challenges-and-practice-sites/
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Charles
> > >
> > > On 1/4/10, Elliot Fernandes<elliotfernandes () yahoo com>  wrote:
> > >        
> > > > For pentesting windows your setup seems good, but not enough. Try to get
> > > > more, like: you'd need to test out attacking SNMP, bruteforcing SSH, ....
> > > > and also have a large wordlist ready for all of this, and generate some
> > > > rainbow tables. You'd need these for password attacks.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Swaminathan, Balaji<Balaji.Swaminathan () kla-tencor com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >          
> > > > > From: Swaminathan, Balaji<Balaji.Swaminathan () kla-tencor com>
> > > > > Subject: RE: Pentesting lab
> > > > > To: "Elliot Fernandes"<elliotfernandes () yahoo com>, "s3c.b3n"
> > > > > <securitybender () gmail com>
> > > > > Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
> > > > > Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 5:01 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly....I am doing the same thing in addition to running
> > > > > Win Server
> > > > > 2k3...Backtrack and Metasploit as attacker are good and
> > > > > flexible to use.
> > > > > As you mentioned Netbios ports alone, I feel, are not
> > > > > enough...Wat do
> > > > > you say...? In addition i am installing SQL, SMTP, IIS and
> > > > > etc and then
> > > > > fine tuning them depending upon the exploit success rate.
> > > > > Is that fine
> > > > > or anything more left to be focused?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for pointing out malware testing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Balaji Swaminathan .M
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: listbounce () securityfocus com
> > > > > [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Elliot Fernandes
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:04 AM
> > > > > To: s3c.b3n
> > > > > Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
> > > > > Subject: RE: Pentesting lab
> > > > >
> > > > > You could run vmware, and install windows xp service pack
> > > > > 2. service
> > > > > pack 2 is used by most people in the windows world, they
> > > > > havent
> > > > > completely shifted to vista or windows 7. It's already
> > > > > running
> > > > > vulnerable services mostly on ports 135,139, and 445 tcp.
> > > > > You just need
> > > > > the latest version of metasploit to test it. For analyzing
> > > > > malware
> > > > > there's a script in python called malware analyzer
> > > > > http://www.beenuarora.com/code/analyse_malware.py . But
> > > > > you will need
> > > > > the PE module from google code http://code.google.com/p/pefile in the
> > > > > same folder. The malware analyzer is amazingly good for
> > > > > analyzing
> > > > > botnet-binaries and viruses and such. You'll also need Olly
> > > > > Debug and
> > > > > IDA pro. Have two VMs ready, one windows for the victim,
> > > > > and linux,
> > > > > preferably backtrack for the attacker. That should about
> > > > > do. Oh, you
> > > > > could also have a Honeypot ready to catch exploits from the
> > > > > wild. you
> > > > > could have them separated from your normal network.


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