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[Fwd: Re: My Frustrations]
From: scott <redhowlingwolves () nc rr com>
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:01:41 -0500
Sat Jagat Singh wrote:
Having read your blog post, I would say that I share some of these
frustrations. But many organizations are really only trying to cover their asses and put a check in the box to say that, yes we got an assessment done to satisfy the letter of the regulations. These are companies that are more concerned about the cost of the project than the actual security. While such people tend to get what they deserve, it does create a negative reputation for the profession as a whole.
Yes, I do think it is a "profession", but we have not
"professionalized" ourselves by requiring licensing. The industry reliance on certification rather than licensing as a credential somewhat serves to muddy the waters because the decision makers hiring security consultants don't really know what a given certification covers. We could debate the value of different certifications until the cows come home but I don't want to insult anyone and we can probably agree that too many of them do not guarantee that the holder has real qualifications and the security unsavy will never really know how to evaluate that. More and more I lean toward some form of professional licensure. One of the states will have to move in this direction before a serious debate about it will be opened. Until then, caveat emptor.
--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Adriel T. Desautels <ad_lists () netragard com> wrote:From: Adriel T. Desautels <ad_lists () netragard com> Subject: My Frustrations To: "pen-test list" <pen-test () securityfocus com> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 11:19 AM I recently wrote this blog entry and wanted to get some comments from readers of this list. I'm frustrated with the caliber of the people that are offering security services and posing as experts, thats the subject of the post. Please comment, insult, whatever... I'm interested. http://snosoft.blogspot.com/ Adriel T. Desautels ad_lists () netragard com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is sponsored by: Cenzic Security Trends Report from Cenzic Stay Ahead of the Hacker Curve! Get the latest Q2 2008 Trends Report now www.cenzic.com/landing/trends-report ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is sponsored by: Cenzic Security Trends Report from Cenzic Stay Ahead of the Hacker Curve! Get the latest Q2 2008 Trends Report now www.cenzic.com/landing/trends-report ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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More and more I lean toward some form of professional licensure. One
of the states will have to move in this direction before a serious debate about it will be opened. Until then, caveat emptor. That makes the most sense. Now if it was only doable. Maybe someone, with previous experience in IT that is a politician, could move something like this forward. I can foresee the future if that happens, though. Big companies with lots of money would hire lobbyists to sway laws in directions that limits their competition. Sometimes, market and politics are a dangerous mix. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is sponsored by: Cenzic Security Trends Report from Cenzic Stay Ahead of the Hacker Curve! Get the latest Q2 2008 Trends Report now www.cenzic.com/landing/trends-report ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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