Re: Pen testing techniques

["Nathan Sportsman" <nsportsman () gmail com>]

Too add to this, it is important to remember the capabilities of the
tool. Many other tools exists that perform these basic tests too, but
they are often not even sophisticated enough to identify and bypass
client side validation.

Nathan Sportsman

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM, v3nd3rs5uck <ntpeck () yahoo com> wrote:
> Even paros proxy can do the basics of XSS and injection testing and its my favorite price :)
>
> Dude, tools are only part of the battle, I agree with Atif
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/9/08, Jason <securitux () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > From: Jason <securitux () gmail com>
> > Subject: Re: Pen testing techniques
> > To: "Atif Azim" <azim.atif () gmail com>
> > Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 2:11 PM
>
> > Oh boy... let me intercept this before some others do, lol.
> >
> > You cannot rely on Core or any one tool for a pen test AT
> > ALL. It's a
> > great tool but there is SO much more to pen testing than
> > relying on
> > one single tool, in fact that is the cardinal sin. You need
> > to follow
> > a methodology and use an array of tools and manual
> > techniques to make
> > sure the test is thorough. When I do a web app pen test,
> > the tools
> > never find some of the nastiness that I do manually. Never.
> > Web apps
> > are a curious breed because they are usually custom coded
> > in some way
> > so every single one is different, making standard tools
> > less useful.
> >
> > I am not surprised by your Core Impact results, it is a
> > great tool but
> > they are new to the web app game, and it hasn't been
> > thoroughly
> > developed yet. No fault of theirs, it just hasn't
> > matured the way
> > others have. For web apps I prefer a web app vulnerability
> > scanner
> > like Cenzic Hailstorm for the automated dumb stuff like XFS
> > / XSS and
> > basic authentication bypass. You definitely need to do
> > manual checks,
> > regardless of what the tools find. Try some injections and
> > authentication bypass techniques, and, well, everything
> > else too.
> > Might want to do a search for the OWASP guide, they have
> > great info on
> > web app testing.
> >
> > Besides all this, have you used anything like nmap to find
> > open ports
> > and verify your results? Perhaps Core missed something. Is
> > a stealth
> > approach required to emulate a malicious hacker and
> > therefore your
> > checks need to be quiet and evade detection?
> >
> > I highly recommend if you are new to this to take a course
> > or at least
> > get some good books. A person really can't jump into
> > pen testing like
> > they can jump into product deployment / administration.
> >
> > Might want to search this list as well, you will find some
> > helpful
> > information I am sure.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Atif Azim
> > <azim.atif () gmail com> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >  I am new to pen testing and am currently involved in
> > doing an external
> > >  pen test for one of our clients.We are doing it
> > through Core
> > >  Impact.Reconnaisance showed only port 80 as open and
> > the web server
> > >  running IIS 6.0.Core Impact did not find any
> > vulnerabilities in the
> > >  server and hence was unable to penetrate.The web
> > application was also
> > >  tested for SQL Injection and PHP remote file
> > inclusion and did not
> > >  find any vulnerabilities there either.
> > >
> > >  My question is what else can we do besides relying on
> > Core Impact for
> > >  this pen test.And what impression can a client get if
> > we say to them
> > >  that there are no vulnerabilites in your network or
> > web app.Its
> > >  dificult to digest something like that for a security
> > specialist that
> > >  everythings alright.
> > >
> > >  Looking forward to some great views.Thanks.
> > >
> > >  Regards,
> > >  Atif Azim
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