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Re: Windows XP / 2K3 Default Users
From: jmk <jmk () foofus net>
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:34:16 -0600
On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 17:27 -0700, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote:
Maybe I'm just in a different environment, but when I see people report "routine" cracking SAM's, it really makes we wonder who the client-base is. I think the last time I was paid for any work with LM cracking was over 10 years ago. I've been turning off LM since Win2k came out, and have been telling people to use pass-phrases instead of passwords since Win2000 allowed 126 character passcodes. Even something as simple as "my dog has fleas" couldn't be rainbow cracked with anything I've seen out there. Of course, when you have a pass phrase like "OK, this is my passphrase--crack THIS 1 homeboy!" Then the whole thing goes out the window. That's what I was on about- while I think rainbow tables are neat, I've really not had much use for them given their size, having to have admin access to get the SAM anyway (for win machines) and how easy it is to thwart them. But that's just me ;)
Unfortunately, it seems that the vast majority of clients I work with still have LM hashes enabled and usually some relatively weak passwords. John typically is able to crack the passwords quickly and, when it can't, Rainbow tables work. I'm hopeful that we're slowly getting them educated though. We did run into a situation recently where a compromised workstation contained an interesting account with only a NTLM hash. In order to use that hash against other hosts, I've modified Samba to simply pass it. Samba's "net" command can do lots of cool stuff, like add local user accounts. My updated patch is available, if anyone wants it: http://www.foofus.net/jmk/passhash.html Joe -- jmk <jmk () foofus net> Foofus Networks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This List Sponsored by: Cenzic Need to secure your web apps? Cenzic Hailstorm finds vulnerabilities fast. Click the link to buy it, try it or download Hailstorm for FREE. http://www.cenzic.com/products_services/download_hailstorm.php?camp=701600000008bOW ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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- Re: Windows XP / 2K3 Default Users Lee Lawson (Nov 01)
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- Re: Windows XP / 2K3 Default Users Ivan Arce (Nov 01)