Re: CISSP-ISSMP

["Nathaniel Hirsch" <nh2 () njit edu>]

In terms of simple knowledge gained I learned a lot from taking the
exam.  It is a mile wide.  Like I now know which is the best fire
suppression system to use in any given location, and can tell you how
high a fence needs to be to deter average people from climbing over
it, the different type of lighting a building can have, there benefits
of hot and cold sites, lots of crazy laws and how they are applicable,
and a bunch of other stuff that I personally don't use in my day to
day job.  Like I could care less about the encryption scheme used in
GSM phones.  But these are the things that are covered in the CISSP. 
So I gained a lot of knowledge, but as for how much of it was directly
applicable to work, very little.  Pretty much everything that was
applicable to my line of work I already knew.

Nathaniel Hirsch, CISSP
Xacta Corporation
656 Shrewsbury Ave.
Shrewsbury, NJ 07702

On 5/9/06, Deogratias Nondi <dgratius () hotmail com> wrote:
> How can you compare it with CISA, in terms of work knowledge gained?
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> From:  "Nathaniel Hirsch" <nh2 () njit edu>
> To:  "Mohamed Abdel Kader" <makster12 () hotmail com>
> CC:  pen-test () securityfocus com
> Subject:  Re: CISSP-ISSMP
> Date:  Mon, 8 May 2006 16:19:18 -0400
> I recently got my CISSP.  The company that I work for paid for me to
> go to a class, and take the test assuming I passed. If I failed then
> the $500 would be on my nickle.  Thankfully I did not fail.  The main
> reason they wanted me to get my CISSP is now they can charge more for
> the work they contract me out to, this and you need it or some other
> equivalent to do level 3 and 4 DITSCAP testing.  As for an ROI after I
> passed a got a 15% raise which was nice, but I was also up for a
> raise, so I can not tell you how much that was due to the CISSP, and
> how much was due to my overall performance at the company.  Personally
> I feel that the exam and certification process is a waste of time, and
> so does everyone else at the company, but they are needed, or so they
> say.  However we have a guy who works here who is a CISSP and a
> CEH(certified ethical hacker), and to be truthful, he is quite
> possible the most worthless tester I have ever had to work with, and
> everyone else in the office knows this.  So having the cert doesn't
> make you good, and doesn't prove to anyone that you have experience or
> skill.  It just proves that you can pick the correct answer out of a
> four possible answer on a 250 question multiple choice exam. As for
> giving an out of 10 scale for everything you mentioned I guess they
> would all be 5s because it all really depends on a lot of other
> things.  As for what job its good for, I would have to say more
> managerial then anything else.  The topics covered are really only
> puddle deep, not enough to know whats going on, just enough to know
> that it is going on though.
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> Nathaniel Hirsch, CISSP
> Xacta Corporation
> 656 Shrewsbury Ave.
> Shrewsbury, NJ 07702
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> On 5/8/06, Mohamed Abdel Kader <makster12 () hotmail com> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >I was wondering if anyone out there did the CISSP-ISSMP
> >concentration.
> >I want to know the value added in the areas listed below, in an out
> >of 10
> >scale for example:
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> >     Total ROI
> >     Career Advancement
> >     Industry Demand
> >     Raise Potential
> >
> >     Suitable for what job/position (not an out of 10 answer of
> >course :))
> >
> >I also want to know the material to study from.
> >
> >Thanks a million.
> >MAK
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