Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

[Mark Teicher <mht3 () earthlink net>]

I forgot about those areas of expertise.  
Must be able to reverse engineer popular network routing assembly code and present their findings in front of large 
audiences.
Must be able to afford legal representation
Must know r0cketgrl.. :)

-----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Cronk <gcronk () trsg net>
> Sent: Apr 27, 2006 1:27 PM
> To: Mark Teicher <mht3 () earthlink net>
> Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com, r0cketgrl () yahoo com
> Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT
>
> Yeah....expert in Cisco, Juniper
> 802.11
> x86(64), PPC, Solaris, MIPS(el) hardware
> SQL Injection (MSSQL, Access, MySQL, Postgres)
> Form Validation
> Assembly, C(++,#), Perl, Python, Ruby, PHP, ASP, CFM
> Mainframes
> Switches
> TCP/IP (v4 and v6), AppleTalk, IPX/SPX, NetBEUI, Twinax
> SSL/TLS
> Proxies (including SOCKS4/5 and HTTP)
>
> And honestly, is there anyone that meets all of these critera and
> actually has a life (I'm hoping Mark was being facetious to a certain
> extent)?
> --
> Gene Cronk CISSP-ISSAP IAM
> Systems Administrator -- The Robin Shepherd Group
> http://www.trsg.net
> Office: 904-359-0981x3166  Cell: 386-795-3081
>
>
> Mark Teicher wrote:
> > The story is very interesting, but it describes the reasoning for the licensing, and this email thread subject is 
> > very interesting, but no one has discussed the qualifications of becoming a licensed penetration tester ??
> >
> >
> > Do the person need to have experience with intrusion methods and assessment tools using:
> > ISS
> > SATAN
> > Nessus
> > Nmap
> > Snort
> > Ethereal
> > Scanrand
> > other?
> > Must know the difference between an XMAS scan and a NULL scan ?
> > Expert in social engineering
> > Expert in lockpicking (must have placed #2nd in local and national contests) ?
> > Expert in Security Policy Assessments
> > Expert at the kernel level for any and all Unix based operating systems ?
> > Must know what 'BIFF' stands for ?
> > Expert in PKI
> > candidate must have a minimum of 7+
> > years of network administration experience in multiple operating systems to include
> > Linux, Windows, Solaris, and BSD. 
> > Must be able to dress when required
> > Must be able to dress themselves 
> > Must be able to shower on a frequent basis
> > Must be an expert in shining their management on when requested
> >
> > Did I miss anything ??
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: xelerated <xelerated () gmail com>
> > > Sent: Apr 26, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > To: Phil Frederick <flosofl () gmail com>
> > > Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
> > > Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT
> > >
> > > Actually, you have to be a licensed Private Investigator,
> > > not a certified pen tester.
> > >
> > > I think it was on the register's site.
> > >
> > > On 4/26/06, Phil Frederick <flosofl () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is happening now.  Georgia has pending legislation for forensic
> > > > examination of information systems.  If you aren't licensed as an
> > > > Investigator in the state, you can be charged with a felony if the law
> > > > passes.
> > > >
> > > > I can't find a link, but I swear I read this a couple days ago.
> > > > Anyone have any info, or was I hallucinating :)
> > > >
> > > > On 4/25/06, v b <r0cketgrl () yahoo com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > All funning aside, this was included in a topic of a
> > > > > BoF at the recent ShmooCon held in DC.  The speakers
> > > > > contended that unless the community becomes
> > > > > self-policing, there WOULD eventually be government
> > > > > legislation to license information security
> > > > > practitioners.  Interesting theory.  I like the idea
> > > > > of shipping all unlicensed practitioners to Lincoln.
> > > > > Could do wonders for that local economy. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Dogten <dogten () d3fcon org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Teicher wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why not license security engineers/gurus like they
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do social workers, plumbers and doctors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then after one gets everyone to comply, partner
> > > > > >
> > > > > > with an insurance company to offer liability and
> > > > > > malpractice insurance to the licensed penetration
> > > > > > testers, just in case someone accidently shuts down
> > > > > > a life support system in a hospital as they are
> > > > > > scanning random Class 'C's on the internet or
> > > > > > hijacking root DNS servers in order to play audio
> > > > > > streams.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For those who do not comply, set up Senate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hearings, and send out letters to those who do not
> > > > > > comply, "Are you an unlicensed penetration tester?"
> > > > > > If yes, please list all your friends, neighbors, etc
> > > > > > that may or may not be unlicense penetration
> > > > > > testers.  Once they have rounded up all the non
> > > > > > complying penetration testers, escort them to local
> > > > > > train stations, and guide them onto the train, where
> > > > > > they will be taken to re-education camps in Lincoln,
> > > > > > Nebraska.  --:)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Dogten <dogten () d3fcon org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Apr 20, 2006 10:08 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Steve Friedl <steve () unixwiz net>
> > > > > > > > Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Steve Friedl wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If it's not from the government, it's not a real
> > > > > >
> > > > > > license.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > where does literary license come in? the media
> > > > > >
> > > > > > certainly practices it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with impunity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > > Your only as good as the system you hack
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