Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

[Mark Teicher <mht3 () earthlink net>]

If President Ford didn't have to take the CYCGAWATST guess Security Consultants don't have to pass an AYC test ..


CYCGAWATST = "Can You Chew Gum And Walk At The Same Time"
AYC - "Are You Competent"

-----Original Message-----
> From: intel96 <intel96 () bellsouth net>
> Sent: Apr 19, 2006 7:37 PM
> To: James Boomer <jboomer () brickwallsecurity com>
> Cc: 'Mambo' <mamboz () gmail com>, cenkornek () yahoo com, pen-test () securityfocus com
> Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT
>
> James,
>
> I would argue that the term licensed penetration tester has very little
> weight.  When I see the term licensed I think of doctors, nurses,
> lawyers, and others that have to take board exams in the states where
> they want to practice their trade.   While taken the licensed
> penetration tester exam and passing show that you have the knowledge for
> the material used in the testing process, it does not prove anything else. 
>
> Case in point I had the pleasure of conducting a security assessment for
> a bank after the the organization fired a certified security
> professional.  The bank hired the certified person to conduct the
> assessment based on the person's high-level security certificates.  That
> person passed the written exam, but had no practical  experience.
>
> Just because someone has a certification or in this case a license to be
> a penetration tester mean very little when it comes to liability. 
> Liability protection comes from others factors like good insurance,
> proven methodologies, a solid statement of work, NDAs, liability
> waivers, and trained personnel. 
>
> I feel that anyone in this business needs to improve themselves daily to
> even keep up especially when you start citing due diligence as a reason
> to obtain the licensed penetration tester.   Due diligence is another
> can of worms that we do not need to open in this thread. 
>
> Intel96, EIEIO ANY MANY MORE TO GO (I have doctors that tell me that I
> have too many initials after my name, maybe I should add LPT too...NOT!)
>
>
>
> James Boomer wrote:
> > With the licensed Penetration Tester it help you when you need to prove due
> > diligence.  If you audit a company or an internal network if something were
> > to happen it protects you more as far liability.  Especially if you turn
> > around and start a security consulting firm or work for one, but other than
> > that it doesn't due a whole lot for you.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mambo [mailto:mamboz () gmail com] 
> > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:08 PM
> > To: cenkornek () yahoo com
> > Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com
> > Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT
> >
> > I think CHECK adds more value.
> >
> > On 17 Apr 2006 12:22:11 -0000, cenkornek () yahoo com <cenkornek () yahoo com>
> > wrote:
> >   
> > > Hi group,
> > >
> > > I am a CEH (Certified Ethical hacker)from e-council. Is there anyone out
> > >     
> > there who has taken LPT (Licensed Penetration Tester) certificate from
> > e-council? Would you recommend it?
> >   
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Cenk Kaan ORNEK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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