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Re: login banners
From: "Ron and Lisa Mehring" <rmehring () havelocknc net>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:39:15 -0500
I to do this day cannot believe the law has not matured on this issue. Questions to ponder.... If I put a welcome mat in front of front door does that give an individual to come into my home? With this analogy should warning banner really matter? Do in need to put my warning banners in multiple languages? To many issues here. If a user is properly indoctrinated into the information system are banners truly needed. Ahhh... The IA hope for commonality in user awareness training throughout the private, government, international sectors. How about taking a test before receiving a modem, dsl etc connection in your home? Its amazing the amount of licenses we must receive with other items (Driving, Hunting Fishing etc...) why not this? Still yet, I use Warning Banners on all information systems that have the capability to support a banner (web, servers, clients, routers, switches etc.) As far as monitoring... If I put a surveillance (IDS) system around my home is this illegal? Must I place a notification? Help me on this issue because frankly I am ignorant on this one. ECPA rules are fair and should be adhered to. There is measurable business case for this in addition to the privacy\law issues. I have been fairly brief in my statements because I know all reading this are smart folks and can take the next step. The law needs to grow up and get with it. I am not a lawyer by any means. Simplicity in work here. Respectfully Ron Mehring Information Assurance USMC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Radvanovsky" <rsradvan () unixworks net> To: "Patrick Kingi" <Patrick.Kingi () nz logical com> Cc: <pen-test () securityfocus com> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: Re: login banners
See replies and/or URL posting for additional information. URL: http://www.theorygroup.com/Archive/Unisog/1999/msg00291.html http://www.theorygroup.com/Archive/Unisog/1999/msg00296.html http://www.theorygroup.com/Archive/Unisog/1999/msg00298.html http://www.theorygroup.com/Archive/Unisog/1999/msg00023.html (interesting) >> Reposted: "From Mercury Center First Edition Tue Oct 12 04:30:08 EDT 1999 Gov. Gray Davis has vetoed legislation that would have prohibited companies from secretly monitoring workers' e-mail, computer files and Web surfing. Privacy advocates denounced the veto as a strike against employee rights. But Davis said he was protecting the right of employers to control their workplace. http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/indepth/docs/email101299.htm Meanwhile, companies are tightening the rules governing employee e-mail
and
Web surfing. http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/merc/docs/y2k101299.htm Case law seems to show a pretty consistent trend in siding with employers, giving them virtually unlimited scope to ensure that their resources are used appropriately. Having said that, the University of California has articulated its expectations about privacy (among other things) in its overall policy on electronic mail. It clearly prizes individual privacy highly. There are only very specific circumstances under which non-consensual access to others' email messages is allowed - criminal activity being one of them. The email policy is now in process of being generalized to encompass all forms of electronic communication, and will soon (that's a relative term :-) become the UC Electronic Communication Policy. For those interested, the UC Email Policy is available at: http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/policies/email/ Of course the technology in its current mainstream state is inherently vulnerable to privacy exposures - such as when a postmaster must reroute misdelivered email, or the case Steve mentions where technical staff stumble across porn during the
regular
course of their duties. So it seems to me that the policy aspect becomes even more important... just because it's technically possible to do something shouldn't automatically mean it is sanctioned. By policy, our technical staff must maintain confidentiality except in the case where
they
do stumble across criminal activity; in that case, another set of policies take precedence." >> Reposted. "go to www.securitymanagement.com ,click on Tech Talk and see article re Tool Talk: Log-In Banners" >> Reposted. And my favorite, SecurityFOCUS: http://online.securityfocus.com/guest/1060 Here we go.... http://www.cybercrime.gov/s&sappendix2002.htm - Look specifically at Appendix A. And lastly, here is a *sample* banner provided. ;) It was taken from the U.S. Navy Great Lakes Medical Center in Waukegan, IL. It has been
modified
a little bit, so if you use this banner, you should: (1) check with the IT manager for USN's GL's M/C data center, and (2) check with your attorney. Sample banner is as follows: " ------------- W A R N I N G ------------- THIS IS A PRIVATE COMPUTER SYSTEM. This computer system including all related equipment, network devices (specifically including Internet access), are provided only for authorized
use.
All computer systems may be monitored for all lawful purposes, including
to
ensure that their use is authorized, for management of the system, to facilitate protection against unauthorized access, and to verify security procedures, survivability and operational security. Monitoring includes active attacks
by
authorized personnel and their entities to test or verify the security of
the
system. During monitoring, information may be examined, recorded, copied
and
used for authorized purposes. All information including personal
information,
placed on or sent over this system may be monitored. Uses of this system, authorized or unauthorized, constitutes consent to monitoring of this
system.
Unauthorized use may subject you to criminal prosecution. Evidence of any
such
unauthorized use collected during monitoring may be used for
administrative,
criminal or other adverse action. Use of this system constitutes consent
to
monitoring for these purposes." Once logged in, they should see: "WARNING: Unauthorized access to this system is forbidden and will be prosecuted by law. By accessing this system, you agree that
your
actions may be monitored if unauthorized usage is suspected." From my understanding of computer law, dealing with legal aspects involving either an attempted break-in, or a successful break-in (through some sort of forensics process), you want to be as *specific* as possible. The more specific you are to the laws applicable, the better
you
are protected. Mind you, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a representative of any
legal
institution, agency, and/or representative thereof. I am not an attorney, nor do I profess to be an attorney. My advise, if you want to really protect yourself, is to hire an attorney that specializes in computer law. And lastly, inset disk into magnet and spin until properly cooked. ;) My 2 cents worth! Hope this helps!!! Bob Radvanovsky rsradvan () unixworks net At 01:55 PM 2/18/2003 +1300, you wrote:Greetings all, It has been standard practice to ensure systems ensure their login
banners
warn the users that unauthorised access is not allowed, your activity may
be
logged etc... A client has asked if there is any evidence that this really matters. I heard a story once upon a time that a hacker did not get prosecuted
because
the login banner said something like "Welcome to your friendly
neighborhood
computer". Is this an urban legend? Does anyone have any evidence that the login banner has been used in
court?
Any help would be appreciated. regards, Patrick---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Current thread:
- login banners Patrick Kingi (Feb 19)
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- RE: login banners Brearley, Kyle (Feb 19)
- RE: login banners Bernie, CTA (Feb 19)
- RE: login banners Noonan, Wesley (Feb 19)
- Re: login banners Bob Radvanovsky (Feb 19)
- Re: login banners Ron and Lisa Mehring (Feb 19)
- RE: login banners PJD (Feb 20)