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RE: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure
From: "Ballowe, Charles" <CBallowe () usg com>
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:27:30 -0500
An IDS is only really effective when you know the potential risk of a successful attack. Once something is triggering an IDS, it's already hitting my systems. If I haven't been alerted to the nature of that particular risk, my IDS can't be properly set up to respond, and depending on the nature of the attack, it may be too late anyway. If my IDS gives me an alert indicating an attempt to exploit a certain vulnerability and searches for more information on that vulnerability yield nothing, I'm going to start to wonder. If my IDS is coupled with a packet capture mechanism, I'll still have the raw data that triggered the alert. The only difference is whether I had the data before it was in the wild or not. Then there's the fact that IDS is a reactive technology and a scanner is proactive. Many companies treat security breaches in a reactive manner. This isn't the best approach and some are finally learning the lesson. Both are needed, but it's better to know before rather than after. Something else to keep in mind -- a security scanner need not actively exploit a vulnerability to identify it's presence. Host based scanners can simply check software versions/patch applications and compare to known vulnerabilities/fixes in order to trip an alert. Network based scanners can use network version banners to do the same thing. -Charles Ballowe
-----Original Message----- From: Jon Bull [mailto:jon.bull () knowledgelinks com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:07 PM To: David Litchfield; Alfred Huger; pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: Re: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Suggestion - Instead of making a scanner to test for a vulnerability that a Typhoon user may not be able to prevent, why not create IDS software to detect the exploit? To me this seems a more defensive, responsible, and effective role.
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- Re: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure David Litchfield (May 28)
- RE: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Alfred Huger (May 28)
- Re: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Alfred Huger (May 28)
- Re: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Patrik Birgersson (May 29)
- Re: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Muhammad Faisal Rauf Danka (May 29)
- Re: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure zol (May 29)
- Re: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Philippe De ARAUJO (May 30)
- Fw: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Jon Bull (May 31)
- RE: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Samuel Cure (May 31)
- RE: Scanners and unpublished vulnerabilities - Full Disclosure Ballowe, Charles (May 31)