Re: [PEN-TEST] War Dialers, Brute Force, etc.

[iNature - David Martin <david () INATURE COM AU>]

If i remember correctly i think it deos but i dont use
that aspect of it mainly i do network testing I cant check
right now but there is a version two out right now which is
impressive and i do belive it does have that functionality,
I havent been home for a few days (occupational hazzard :)).

but yeah a version 2 is out

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Penetration Testers [mailto:PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM]On Behalf
Of Meritt, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [PEN-TEST] War Dialers, Brute Force, etc.


The Brutus I have doesn't perform dial-ups.  Well, If it does I don't know
how.  Is there a way to make it do it/is there a version out now that does?

Thanks!

Jim
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James W. Meritt, CISSP, CISA
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Center of Excellence
Wang Government Services, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: iNature - David Martin [mailto:david () INATURE COM AU]
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:51 PM
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Subject: Re: War Dialers, Brute Force, etc.


Burtus is a great piece of software.
It has thread control and single and multiple user mode.
I use it alot. It is a work in progress and has a few bugs
but generally its great
the url is www.hoobie.net/brutus (i think)

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Penetration Testers [mailto:PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM]On Behalf
Of Dawes, Rogan
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 8:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [PEN-TEST] War Dialers, Brute Force, etc.


One such tool is brutus.

It allows you to design your own chat script that you can use to perform the
brute force attack.  It comes with predefined scripts for telnet, POP, imap,
smb, ftp, etc, I recall.

Seems OK.

Rogan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanja Hrustic [mailto:vanja () RELAYGROUP COM]
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 5:42 AM
> To: PEN-TEST () SECURITYFOCUS COM
> Subject: [PEN-TEST] War Dialers, Brute Force, etc.
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Todd Beebe wrote:
>
> > Toneloc is good for finding modems.  But, the value of the
> commercial
> > products (both TeleSweep Secure and PhoneSweep) is the
> username/password
> > guessing (read vulnerability testing).
>
> Now that you mention this...
>
> I wonder if there are any commercial tools that enable you to do
> 'extensive' (I don't know if this is the good word :) brute
> force against
> remote systems? I'm not talking about "dial a modem and gues
> user/pass"
> only. I'm talking about brute-force against various services (POP3,
> telnet, etc.), finding valid users (finger, SMTP using expn
> or 'rcpt to:',
> using '~username' on web servers, etc.), 'bouncing'...
>
> For example:
>
> During the test, you manage to get into a switch that was
> 'forgotten', and
> you can use it to connect to systems behind the firewall (I'm not
> inventing this, so no flames, please :).
>
> Now, in order to do brute force, you *must* connect through
> that switch -
> you can't connect directly. Are there any commercial tools
> that provide
> 'features' like this, where one needs to establish 1 or more
> sessions to
> remote host(s) before actually running brute force?
>
> Or, you dial into some terminal server (or whatever), and
> from there you
> can connect to the remote system in order to perform brute-force.
>
> Or, in there is badly configured proxy server that will let
> you connect to
> 'internal' systems using CONNECT (or GET), and from there you
> can start
> brute force.
>
> Simply, are there any tools that can take advantage of all the
> 'misconfigurations' on the remote network, or all the tools
> assume that
> you will just brute-force the 1st system you connect to?
>
> Also, how do all those 'commercial' (well, let's say
> "proprietary" - it
> doesn't have to be commercial, but important thing is that you can't
> modify it easily) tools determine what kind of dictionary
> they should use?
> Does person who run the tool need to choose before the brute
> force starts,
> or ... ? Tool chooses it based on banners maybe? I ask that for silly
> reason - I've used to modify /bin/login (for fun only, long ago, but I
> know that some people are still doing things like this :) so
> that when you
> connect to the UNIX box and try to login, you'll see
> something like (and
> hear a 'beep' as well ;):
>
> Welcome to VAX/VMS 5.5 on node WHATEVER
>
> Username: TEST
> Password:
> User authorization failure
> Username:
> etc...
>
> What would 'automated' tool to in this case? (try to send
> CTRL+Z first? ;)
>
> My (well, I should say "our" :) 'choice' for all
> brute-forcing tools is -
> Perl (plus IO::Socket and few other modules, when/if needed).
> But again,
> for me it's more important "what dictionary I'm using" than
> "what tool I'm
> using" :)
>
> I wonder what other people are using :)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Vanja Hrustic
> The Relay Group
> http://relaygroup.com