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Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack?
From: Greg KH <greg () kroah com>
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 11:44:55 -0800
On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 10:43:17PM +0800, Shawn wrote:
Hi Lionel, Thanks for your extraordinary explanation about Grsec/PaX. I'm a big fan of Grsec/PaX. But I think compare the ASLR implementation of vallina kernel with Grsecurity/PaX is not fair. Linux upstream doesn't hold the security-oriented philosophy, while Grsecurity/PaX community are expertise of system-lvl security.
Ok, do you seriously think this? If so, please provide details as to why you feel this way. The Linux kernel developers take security very seriously, otherwise no one would be using Linux for "secure" systems, right?
Developer/users could take bear of 5%-10% performance penalty caused by new features, but I don't think most developers/users would accept even 1% performance penalty caused by security defensive mitigation. Personally, I hope we could see Grsecurity/PaX being part of mainline linux kernel in the future.
Great, please do the work to split it up and submit it to be merged, that would be a wonderful thing for you to do if you think the features there are needed.
IMOHO, offset2lib is a very critical impact to the GNU/Linux mitigation. What if the bad buys already have some 0day vulns? This will make their work so much easier to write massive exploit. Hope upstream could patch this issue as quickly as possible. Plz don't let this work to the burden of GNU/Linux distro community.
What exactly do you mean here? The fact that this option isn't enabled by lots of distros already means that there isn't much of an issue, right? thanks, greg k-h
Current thread:
- How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Shawn (Dec 05)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? lazytyped (Dec 06)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Lionel Debroux (Dec 06)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Greg KH (Dec 06)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Loganaden Velvindron (Dec 06)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Lionel Debroux (Dec 07)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Shawn (Dec 07)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Greg KH (Dec 07)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Lionel Debroux (Dec 07)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Shawn (Dec 08)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Loganaden Velvindron (Dec 06)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Greg KH (Dec 07)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Daniel Micay (Dec 07)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Greg KH (Dec 07)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Lionel Debroux (Dec 07)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Lionel Debroux (Dec 18)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Amos Jeffries (Dec 18)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Mathias Krause (Dec 18)
- Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack? Greg KH (Dec 18)