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Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less
From: Michal Zalewski <lcamtuf () coredump cx>
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:43:10 -0800
However, even if tools like file/ndisasm/gimp/readelf can be used by many (w/o strong system isolation boundaries) to analyze untrusted inputs (for reverse engineering, malware analysis and similar purposes) - I'd simply put a blame on those users
Well, it's always the easy option, but keep in mind that there are countless tutorials that tell people to use 'file' or 'strings' to examine sketchy file, or use tools such as objdump to do hobby forensics. We can blame the authors of the tutorials - but it goes back to a fairly fundamental problem: the use cases aren't completely crazy (nothing *fundamentally* wrong in using 'strings' on a file you don't trust, right?), and their unsafe design is a fairly counterintuitive property to laypeople and many experts alike [*]. So, for high-profile tools used in ways that are sort of plausible and probably common, we may just need to try & make them robust. (But of course, I'd be pragmatic in drawing the line: the Mayhem fuzzing thing went completely overboard.) /mz [*] Fun fact: I don't think I have ever gotten as much shocked feedback from the security community as after posting http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2014/10/psa-dont-run-strings-on-untrusted-files.html
Current thread:
- Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Hanno Böck (Nov 16)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Robert Święcki (Nov 16)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Michal Zalewski (Nov 16)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Robert Święcki (Nov 16)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Robert Watson (Nov 16)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Robert Święcki (Nov 16)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Hanno Böck (Nov 17)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Raphael Geissert (Nov 17)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Hanno Böck (Nov 17)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Robert Święcki (Nov 17)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Michal Zalewski (Nov 17)
- Re: Fuzzing findings (and maybe CVE requests) - Image/GraphicsMagick, elfutils, GIMP, gdk-pixbuf, file, ndisasm, less Raphael Geissert (Nov 17)