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Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond
From: "David A. Wheeler" <dwheeler () dwheeler com>
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 20:20:04 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:48:10 -0700, Tim <tim-security () sentinelchicken org> wrote:
To me, it's not about anticipating the next bug, it is about providing guidance to developers who care only so much about security so that we can avoid some bugs that we didn't anticipate.
Agree!
PS- I'm of two minds on this. More recently I've decided that educating developers isn't nearly as effective as providing developers APIs and development environments that make it unlikely they will shoot themselves in the foot. It's not that developers can't be trained, it is that they will probably only be developers for a handful of years and move on to other roles later, with a whole new batch of green coders coming in to fill their positions. Anyway...
I don't think there's an either/or here. Yes, if you *can* change the tools/libraries/development environments to prevent attacks, or reduce their effectiveness, you *should*. That said, a fool with a tool is still a fool. There's no way to create a development environment that can't be misused. Thus, you'll always need to educate and train developers for situations the system cannot prevent. In the long term I think this will be easier, because novice developers will be able to learn from the many experts around them. Today, the number of developers who understand security issues is a vanishingly small percentage of the total, so the novice has no one to learn from. --- David A. Wheeler
Current thread:
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond, (continued)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Tim (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Michal Zalewski (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond ArkanoiD (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond David A. Wheeler (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Michal Zalewski (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond David A. Wheeler (Oct 09)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Tim (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond John Haxby (Oct 09)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Kobrin, Eric (Oct 09)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Stephane Chazelas (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond David A. Wheeler (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Tim (Oct 08)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Robert Watson (Oct 14)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond Florian Weimer (Oct 15)
- Re: Thoughts on Shellshock and beyond David A. Wheeler (Oct 15)