Re: Sriharsha Karamchati Kicked Out of Nmap GSoC for Cheating

[Ron Bowes <ron () skullsecurity net>]

There's also a word for taking direct actions the first time something happens:

http://signalvnoise.com/archives2/dont_scar_on_the_first_cut.php

They have some good advice there. Learn the lesson, be wary, but don't
jump to making new policies for one-off events.

Anyway, it's ultimately up to Fyodor. My opinion is just one.

(Moving Nmap-dev to BCC... not sure if that works the way I expect it,
but I don't think this conversation needs to continue on the public
list)

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Barry Allard <barry.allard () gmail com> wrote:
> There's a word for doing nothing and expecting a different result.  If
> you're wrong and if it happens again, losing GSoC will be the least concern.
> If it doesn't happen again because candidates are more of known quantities,
> better candidates might be selected and Nmap will look better and it's extra
> paperwork to help prevent the former.   Nothing with people is 100%, but
> it's better than the alternative.
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2014, Ron Bowes <ron () skullsecurity net> wrote:
> > I'm always the kind of person that thinks knee-jerk reactions to
> > one-off problems looks worse than solving the rare problem if and when
> > it pops up.
> >
> > But, it's a non-trivial discussion and this is hardly the right place
> > for it. And ultimately, it's up to Fyodor and/or the GSoC admins.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Barry Allard <barry.allard () gmail com>
> > wrote:
> > > It makes all concerned look bad, and not taking measures, even for
> > > appearances' sake, looks even worse.
> > > —
> > > Sent from Mailbox
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Ron Bowes <ron () skullsecurity net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Fyodor can speak to it better, but realistically in all the students
> > > > that have come through, this is the first time it's been an issue. I
> > > > don't suspect it's a big enough problem to try solving just yet. :)
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Barry Allard <barry.allard () gmail com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > PS not that it would stop plagiarism, but maybe ask some FOSS ethics
> > > > > questions.
> > > > > —
> > > > > Sent from Mailbox
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Barry Allard
> > > > > <barry.allard () gmail com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Maybe require a tech phone screen for all candidates and have a
> > > > > > short
> > > > > > waiting list should a selected candidate/s drop for any reason.
> > > > > > Otherwise,
> > > > > > it may make the sponsors / sponsors' org look bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Barry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > —
> > > > > > Sent from Mailbox
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Ron Bowes <ron () skullsecurity net>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Robin - I believe the 'cheating' was on the application itself, not
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > Nmap code. When it came to actually writing code, I don't believe
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > contributed much if anything.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ron
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Robin Wood <robin@digi.ninja>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I've not followed what he submitted but is there any way to use
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > if the original authors are OK with it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > May as well salvage what we can.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Robin
> > > > > > > > On 2 Jul 2014 04:10, "Fyodor" <fyodor () nmap org> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi folks. I'm sorry to report that we had to remove Sriharsha
> > > > > > > > > Karamchati
> > > > > > > > > from the Nmap GSoC program after he was caught cheating :(. It
> > > > > > > > > turns
> > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > that most of his coding samples were blatantly plagiarized from
> > > > > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > he apparently can't program at more than a very elementary
> > > > > > > > > level.
> > > > > > > > > Sriharsha even convinced a real IPv6 researcher to send him
> > > > > > > > > pre-publication research, which Sriharsha then submitted to us
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > own
> > > > > > > > > work after removing the true author's name from every single
> > > > > > > > > slide.
> > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > saddest part is that we had to reject many worthy, talented and
> > > > > > > > > honest
> > > > > > > > > applicants who could have done great things with the position.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The only good news is that, of the 68 students we've mentored
> > > > > > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > decade in the GSoC program, Sriharsha is the first one we had to
> > > > > > > > > remove for
> > > > > > > > > cheating. Let's hope he is also the last!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > Fyodor
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