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Re: Utilizing USG networks for internal purposes (Re: route: 0.0.0.0/32 in LEVEL3 IRR)


From: Dave Taht <dave.taht () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 01:25:04 -0500

Excellent summary of the USG position as of 2019. It is, um, nearly 5
years later, has any of these stuff evolved?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:58 PM John Curran <jcurran () arin net> wrote:

On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:48 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk () gmail com> wrote:

DoD's /8s are usually squatted by networks that run out of private IPv4 space.
Even though it is very risky to steal resources from an organization
that can deploy a black helicopter or a nuclear warhead over you, for
some reason like it not appearing in the DFZ people seem to like it.


Folks -

A network that wants to be creative and utilize an address block that’s assigned to others
for their own internal purposes runs two distinct risks:

1. An address block that’s not utilized today may easily become publicly routed tomorrow
    (either by the original address holder or by their assignee/successor) and it is not possible
    to reliably predict whether your customers will need access to the resources that end up
    on that address space.

2. If you should leak routes publicly for another's address space, there are organizations that
    will object – and in the case US government networks, this can include some uncomfortable
    conversations.  [1]

None of this suggests that one cannot configure their routers any way that they wish – just that
it’d be best if done with appropriate care and an upfront understanding of the risks involved.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

[1] https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG77/2108/20191028_Elverson_Your_As_Is_v1.pdf
     pg 4.



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