Re: Am I the only one who thinks this is disconcerting?

[Matt Corallo <nanog () as397444 net>]

I'd be very curious to see a lawsuit over an IP hijack that isn't interfering with the operation of 
any of Cogent's services and is restoring service to HE's customers. Doubly so if they prepend 
aggressively to avoid it being a preferred path (Cogent currently announces a /48 for the C root 
server, and I assume there's ~nothing else in that block, but dunno).

IANAL and really have no idea what the basis for that would be? I guess if its legacy space you 
might argue its property and theft?

Matt

On 11/13/23 12:38 PM, Ryan Hamel wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Why would HE hijack Cogent's IP space? That would end in a lawsuit and potentially even more 
> de-peering between them.
>
> Ryan Hamel
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> On 11/8/23 2:23 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> > On 11/8/23 2:25 PM, owen () Delong com wrote:
> > > Seems irresponsible to me that a root-server (or other critical DNS provider) would engage in a
> > > peering war to the exclusion of workable DNS.
> >
> > I've brought this up before and the root servers are not really an IANA function IIRC.  There's not
> > much governance over them, other than what's on root-servers.org.  I think a case could be made that
> > C is in violation of the polices on that page and RFC 7720 section 3.
> >
> > Basically none of the root servers want to change this and thus it's never going to change.  DNS
> > will fail and select another to talk to, and things will still work.
>
> At what point does HE just host a second C root and announce the same IPv6s? Might irritate Cogent,
> but its not more "bad" than Cogent failing to uphold the requirements for running a root server.
>
> Matt