Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?

[Crist Clark <cjc+nanog () pumpky net>]

A decade ago I recall Globalstar, yet another LEO phone service, had been
trying to work out a partnership with a terrestrial carrier that could use
their spectrum allotment. It was purely a business move. Nothing technical
about it. Spectrum is valuable, and they were trying to find a way to
monetize it while still staying in the rules, or at least a plausible
argument that they were following the rules.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 1:23 PM Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:

> It's DirecTV that became part of AT&T, but now they're separated again.
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> Dish Network is building a nation-wide terrestrial mobile network.
> Supposed to be the new #4 provider.
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> *From: *"Owen DeLong via NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>
> *To: *"Michael Thomas" <mike () mtcc com>
> *Cc: *nanog () nanog org
> *Sent: *Friday, June 24, 2022 3:14:33 PM
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> *Subject: *Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?
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> On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:12 , Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com> wrote:
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> On 6/24/22 12:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
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> On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com> wrote:
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> On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
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> The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined
> over the course of several years, and is becoming vague again. This nuance
> was never well understood in the public eye, nor by mass publications like
> CNN. This is a battle for 12GHz, not 5G.
>
> But is what Starlink saying true or not?
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> It would be a pity to not have an alternative to incumbent telephants.
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> Mike
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> It’s not entirely clear, without knowing the technical details of the
> Starlink modulation scheme whether or not they could successfully share the
> 12Ghz spectrum.
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> I have no reason to disbelieve their claims.
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> Frankly, I really don’t think that Dish’s idea of providing 5G mobile
> service from satellites is a particularly good or beneficial one and
> granting them 12Ghz spectrum for this purpose is probably not really in the
> public interest.
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> I thought they were land based? What I read is that being land based means
> that they can transmit at much higher power.
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> I wasn’t aware that Dish had terrestrial facilities. I had forgotten their
> absorption into AT&T.
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> So I retract my comments in that regard… They are a traditional telephant
> and I think that terrestrial 5G on 12Ghz is even less useful.
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> OTOH, I think Starlink is most definitely an interesting product that does
> provide a clear path to reasonable alternatives to the incumbent telephants.
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> Especially when you factor in mobility when they get there. No more
> roaming fees, all over the world.
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> Yep… Probably one of the reasons DishT&T is trying to fight so hard to
> cause them grief.
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> Owen