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Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work?
From: Saku Ytti <saku () ytti fi>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 09:10:56 +0300
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 23:15, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf () gmail com> wrote:
In general, if we look at the whole spectrum, on one side there’re massively parallelized “many core” RTC ASICs, such as Trio, Lightspeed, and similar (as the last gasp of Redback/Ericsson venture - we have built 1400 HW threads ASIC (Spider). On another side of the spectrum - fixed pipeline ASICs, from BCM Tomahawk at its extreme (max speed/radix - min features) moving with BCM Trident, Innovium, Barefoot(quite different animal wrt programmability), etc - usually shallow on chip buffer only (100-200M). In between we have got so called programmable pipeline silicon, BCM DNX and Juniper Express are in this category, usually a combo of OCB + off chip memory (most often HBM), (2-6G), usually have line-rate/high scale security/overlay encap/decap capabilities. Usually have highly optimized RTC blocks within a pipeline (RTC within macro). The way and speed to access DBs, memories is evolving with each generation, number/speed of non networking cores(usually ARM) keeps growing - OAM, INT, local optimizations are primary users of it.
What do we call Nokia FP? Where you have a pipeline of identical cores doing different things, and the packet has to hit each core in line in order? How do we contrast this to NPU where a given packet hits exactly one core? I think ASIC, NPU, pipeline, RTC are all quite ambiguous. When we say pipeline, usually people assume a purpose build unique HW blocks packet travels through (like DNX, Express) and not fully flexible identical cores pipeline like FP. So I guess I would consider 'true pipeline', pipeline of unique HW blocks and 'true NPU' where a given packet hits exactly 1 core. And anything else as more or less hybrid. I expect once you get to the details of implementation all of these generalisations use communicative power. -- ++ytti
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- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work?, (continued)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Lawrence Wobker (Jul 26)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? dip (Jul 26)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? James Bensley (Jul 27)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Saku Ytti (Jul 26)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Tom Beecher (Jul 25)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Saku Ytti (Jul 25)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Lawrence Wobker (Jul 25)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? James Bensley (Jul 25)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Lincoln Dale (Jul 25)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Jeff Tantsura (Jul 26)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Saku Ytti (Jul 26)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Jeff Tantsura (Jul 27)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? James Bensley (Jul 25)
- RE: 400G forwarding - how does it work? ljwobker (Jul 27)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? Dave Taht (Jul 27)
- Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work? James Bensley (Jul 27)