Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>]

Because literally every case I've seen along these lines is someone
complaining about the coax connection is "only 100 meg when I pay for 200
meg".  Comcast was the most hated company and yet they factually had better
speeds (possibly in part to their subjectively terrible customer service)
for years.

> An apartment building could have cheap 1G fiber and the houses across the
street have no option but slow DSL.

Where is this example?  Or is this strictly hypothetical?

I am not seeing any examples, anywhere, with accurate data, where it's what
most consider to be in town/urban and poor speeds.  The only one that was
close was Jared and I'm pretty sure when I saw the map I wouldn't consider
that in town (could be wrong) but again, there's gig fiber there now.  I
don't remember if he actually got his CLEC, or why that matters, but
there's fiber there now.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:05 PM Brandon Svec via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
wrote:

> What is the point of these anecdotes? Surely anyone on this list with even
> a passing knowledge of the broadband landscape in the United States knows
> how hit or miss it can be.  An apartment building could have cheap 1G fiber
> and the houses across the street have no option but slow DSL.  Houses could
> have reliable high speed cable internet, but the office park across the
> field has no such choice because the buildout cost is prohibitively high to
> get fiber, etc.
>
> There are plenty of places with only one or two choices of provider too.
> Of course, this is literally changing by the minute as new services are
> continually being added and upgraded.
> *Brandon Svec*
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
> wrote:
>
> > OK the one example you provided has gigabit fiber though.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 8:41 AM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:
> >
> > > Can you provide examples?
> > > >
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twe6uTwOyJo&ab_channel=NANOG
> > >
> > > Our good friend Jared could only get 1.5M DSL living just outside Ann
> > > Arbor, MI, so he had to start his own CLEC.
> > >
> > > I have friends in significantly more rural areas than he lives in (
> > > Niagara and Orleans county NYS , between Niagara Falls and Rochester ) who
> > > have the same 400Mb package from Spectrum that I do, living in the City of
> > > Niagara Falls.
> > >
> > > This is not to say that rural America is a mecca of connectivity; there
> > > is a long way to go all the way around regardless. But it is a direct
> > > example as you asked for.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:57 PM Josh Luthman <
> > > josh () imaginenetworksllc com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far
> > > > worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”.
> > > >
> > > > Can you provide examples?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:51 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 2, 2021, at 02:10 , Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/2/21 11:04, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I disagree… If it could be forced into a standardized format using
> > > > > a standardized approach to data acquisition and reliable comparable results
> > > > > across providers, it could be a very useful adjunct to real competition.
> > > > > > If we can't even agree on what "minimum speed for U.S. broadband
> > > > > connections" actually means, fat chance having a "nutritional facts" at the
> > > > > back of the "Internet in a tea cup" dropped off at your door step.
> > > > > > I'm not saying it's not useful, I'm just saying that easily goes
> > > > > down the "what color should we use for the bike shed" territory, while
> > > > > people in rural America still have no or poor Internet access.
> > > > > > Mark.
> > > > >
> > > > > ROFLMAO…
> > > > >
> > > > > People in Rural America seem to be doing just fine. Most of the ones I
> > > > > know at least have GPON or better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, here in San Jose, a city that bills itself as “The Capital
> > > > > of Silicon Valley”, the best I can get is Comcast (which does finally
> > > > > purport to be Gig down), but rarely delivers that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, anything involving the federal government will get the full bike
> > > > > shed treatment no matter what we do.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far
> > > > > worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”.
> > > > >
> > > > > Owen