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Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords


From: "K. Scott Helms" <kscott.helms () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 15:10:24 -0400

  Scott, Google's computer is able to compose an html document which
contains my passwords in plain text. Whatever dance they do to either
side of that point in their process, at that point they possess my
passwords in plain text. Why is this concept a mystery to anyone?

Because it's wrong, they don't have your passwords you do (more accurately
your device does).  They don't combine the decryption keys with the
encrypted data, your device does. This is the case whenever something is
encrypted rather than hashed.  It's literally impossible to provide a
password saving mechanism that hashes the credentials.


  If I had authorized it, it would indeed be just like any other
password managing web site. I did not knowingly authorize it. They
snuck it on me.

You did authorize, you just didn't read the fine print.  Having said that,
this part of your complaint is definitely the one that has the most merit
IMO since if you enable it on mobile it directs you to a web page that you
can't see at that time.

If you're concerned then I'd recommend setting a synch phrase, which makes
it impossible for Google to decrypt the credentials without you inputting
it and they do not store it.

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139?visit_id=637591216572649483-884903087&rd=1

Scott Helms



On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 10:29 AM William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 5:11 AM K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com>
wrote:
Encryption != plain text, just because it's not a hash doesn't mean it's
problematic (if done correctly).

Scott, Google's computer is able to compose an html document which
contains my passwords in plain text. Whatever dance they do to either
side of that point in their process, at that point they possess my
passwords in plain text. Why is this concept a mystery to anyone?


This is the exact same method that every single password management
system uses and all are far better for the average user than trying to
reuse a single password or write them down.

If I had authorized it, it would indeed be just like any other
password managing web site. I did not knowingly authorize it. They
snuck it on me.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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https://bill.herrin.us/


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