Re: DDoS attack with blackmail

[Brandon Svec via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

I’m also curious if they did as promised.

I read this today:
https://beta.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/-fancy-lazarus-criminal-group-launches-ddos-extortion-campaign

Best.

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 8:35 AM Edvinas Kairys <edvinas.email () gmail com>
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Did you get the attack promised ? after 1 week after notice ?
>
> Today we've been warned and got some udp flood for 3 hours.
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:14 PM Jean St-Laurent via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> wrote:
>
> > I don’t believe that these companies are complicit at high level.
> >
> > My guess is that there are some business salesmen working there that
> > needs to fulfill their monthly quota of new clients.
> >
> >
> >
> > What is usually common, is that when face by a DDoS for the first time
> > without the  proper tooling, it sounds like it’s an impossible task to
> > solve. The knowledge on internet is pretty limited on the topic.
> >
> > It takes months and sometimes years to configure all the DDoS gates.
> > Rolland’s ppt is a nice place to start as it has valuable knowledge. It’s
> > just tough to figure out what is best for you.
> >
> >
> >
> > The truth is, it will be more beneficial to your organisation in the
> > medium/long term if you start learning and improving your DDoS defenses now
> > than to rely 100% on DDoS mitigators.
> >
> > These companies are fantastic when you protect slow assets like Credit
> > card transactions. The customer don’t really care if his transaction to
> > validate the CC takes 4 seconds instead of 3.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the end, DDoS mitigations is not more complex than what you are used
> > to do daily. Protect your routers, protect the control-plane, protect the
> > SSH lines, etc. It’s just a different kind of protections.
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me know if you need some advices or hints, because I’ve spent some
> > freaking long hours fighting them and together we have a better chance to
> > win and not pay ransom from blackmails.
> >
> > I don’t have all the answers on DDoS, but maybe I have the one that you
> > are looking for.
> >
> >
> >
> > The moment you become very resilient to DDoS attacks, your customers will
> > thank you and also support staff that will see the DDoS bounce like
> > mosquitoes on the windshield of your car at 90 Mph.
> >
> >
> >
> > Start learning now and start improving your DDoS. This won’t go away
> > anytime soon.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* jim deleskie <deleskie () gmail com>
> > *Sent:* May 24, 2021 12:38 PM
> > *To:* Jean St-Laurent <jean () ddostest me>
> > *Cc:* NANOG Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Subject:* Re: DDoS attack with blackmail
> >
> >
> >
> > While I have no design to engage in over email argument over how much
> > latency people can actually tolerate, I will simply state that most people
> > have a very poor understanding of it and how much additional latency is
> > really introduced by DDoS mitigation.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for implying that DDoS mitigation companies are complicit or involved
> > in attacks, while not the first time i heard that crap it's pretty
> > offensive to those that work long hours for years dealing with the
> > garbage.  If you honestly believe anyone your dealing with is involved with
> > launching attacks you clearly have not done your research into potential
> > partners.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat., May 22, 2021, 11:20 a.m. Jean St-Laurent via NANOG, <
> > nanog () nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > Some industries can’t afford that extra delay by DDoS mitigation vendors.
> >
> >
> >
> > The video game industry is one of them and there might be others that
> > can’t tolerate these extra ms. Telemedicine, video-conference, fintech, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > As a side note, my former employer in video game was bidding for these
> > vendors offering DDoS protection. While bidding, we were hit with abnormal
> > patterns. As soon as we chose one vendors those very tricky DDoS patterns
> > stopped.
> >
> > I am not saying they are working on both side, but still the coincidence
> > was interesting. In the end, we never used them because they were not able
> > to perfectly block the threat without impacting all the others projects.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think these mitigators are nice to have as a very last resort. I
> > believe what is more important for Network Operators is: to be aware of
> > this, to be able to detect it, mitigate it and/or minimize the impact. It’s
> > like magic, where did that rabbit go?
> >
> >
> >
> > The art of war taught me everything there is to know about DDoS attacks
> > even if it was written some 2500 years ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > I suspect that the attack that impacted Baldur’s assets was a very easy
> > DDoS to detect and block, but can’t confirm.
> >
> >
> >
> > @Baldur: do you care to share some metrics?
> >
> >
> >
> > Jean
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me () nanog org> *On Behalf Of *Jean
> > St-Laurent via NANOG
> > *Sent:* May 21, 2021 10:52 AM
> > *To:* 'Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE' <lb () 6by7 net>; 'Baldur
> > Norddahl' <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
> > *Cc:* 'NANOG Operators' Group' <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Subject:* RE: DDoS attack with blackmail
> >
> >
> >
> > I also recommend book Art of War from Sun Tzu.
> >
> >
> >
> > All the answers to your questions are in that book.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jean
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me () nanog org> *On Behalf Of *Lady
> > Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> > *Sent:* May 20, 2021 7:18 PM
> > *To:* Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
> > *Cc:* NANOG Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Subject:* Re: DDoS attack with blackmail
> >
> >
> >
> > 20 years ago I wrote an automatic teardrop attack.  If your IP spammed us
> > 5 times, then a script would run, knocking the remote host off the internet
> > entirely.
> >
> >
> >
> > Later I modified it to launch 1000 teardrop attacks/second…
> >
> >
> >
> > Today,  contact the FBI.
> >
> >
> >
> > And get a mitigation service above your borders if you can.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > —L.B.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> >
> > 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
> >
> > CEO
> >
> > lb () 6by7 net
> >
> > "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in
> > the world.”
> >
> > FCC License KJ6FJJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 20, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> >
> >
> > We got attacked by a group that calls themselves "Fancy Lazarus". They
> > want payment in BC to not attack us again. The attack was a volume attack
> > to our DNS and URL fetch from our webserver.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am interested in any experience in fighting back against these guys.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Baldur
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
Brandon Svec
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