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Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts


From: Brandon Svec <bsvec () teamonesolutions com>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 09:27:26 -0800

Mismanagement and poor planning are primarily to blame.  One can't just
blame the weather.  We know weather will be bad and have extreme
variations.  I am sure Texas politicians are considering what they could
have done better right now..
https://twitter.com/blkahn/status/1361682089310052354
*Brandon *


On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:53 AM John Von Essen <john () essenz com> wrote:

I just assumed most people in Texas have heat pumps- AC in the summer and
minimal heating in the winter when needed. When the entire state gets a
deep freeze, everybody is running those heat pumps non-stop, and the
generation capacity simply wasn’t there. i.e. coal or natural gas plants
have some turbines offline, etc.,. in the winter because historically power
use is much much less. The odd thing is its been days now, those plants
should be able to ramp back up to capacity - but clearly they haven’t.
Blaming this on wind turbines is BS. In fact, if it weren’t for so many
people in Texas with grid-tie solar systems, the situation would be even
worse.

And of course, the real issue is Texas’ closed grid - any other state
could pull in more power from neighbors.

-John

On Feb 15, 2021, at 11:34 PM, Cory Sell via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:

Ercot has already released actual documentation of the outputs. Wind is
NOT the biggest loss here. Even if wind was operating at 100% capacity,
we’d be in the same boat due to gas and fossil fuel-related generation
being decimated. Estimated 4GW lost for wind doesn’t make up for the 30GW+
estimated being lost from fossil fuels.

I only interject because people are already pointing their fingers at
renewables being the cause here and trying to pawn off the blame to
wind/solar to further their agendas to reduce renewable energy R&D and
adoption. Sure, wind isn’t perfect, but looks like solution relied on
failed in a massive way.

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On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 10:17 PM, Robert Jacobs <rjacobs () pslightwave com>
wrote:

How about letting us Texans have more natural gas power plants or even let
the gas be delivered to the plants we have so they can provide more power
in an emergency. Did not help that 20% of our power is now wind which of
course in an ice storm like we are having is shut off... Lots of issues and
plenty of politics involved here..

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Subject: Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts



On 2/16/21 04:14, Sean Donelan wrote:

Poweroutage.us posted a terrific map, showing the jurisdictional
borders of the Texas power outages versus the storm related power
outages elsewhere in the country.

https://twitter.com/PowerOutage_us/status/1361493394070118402


Sometimes infrastructure planning failures are not due to "natural
hazards."

I suppose having some kind of home backup solution wouldn't be too bad
right now, even though you may still not get access to services. But at
least, you can brew some coffee, and charge your pulse oximetre.

Mark.






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