Re: Carrier Options in Hong Kong

[nanoguser99 via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

Raymond,

Thanks for the response. Would you say then any 'major proivder' is fine for HK? Based on my tests w\ Lumen everything 
seems fine. I'll check the other ASNs. My posts are not making it to the list. I've done the following tests. The only 
'bad one' was net-navigator.

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> > Thank you. Would you say it's fair to say that Lumen would be fine to reach the eyeballs based on the following.... 
> > I believe they peer locally with the Cogents\Lumens of the world. Looking at BGP.he.net AS9444 I found some HKT IPs 
> > and pinged from the Lumen looking glass
> >
> > ====
> > Hong Kong Telecommunications (HKT) Limited
> >
> > Target: 120.88.245.3 with 64 data bytes Success rate sent/received = (1/1) packets
> > Round-Trip min/avg/max = 1ms/1ms/1ms
> >
> > AS38819 - HKT GPRS network
> > HONGKONG CHINA Ping results for:14.0.183.254 (14-0-183-254.static.pccw-hkt.com)
> >
> > Target: 14.0.183.254 with 64 data bytesSuccess rate sent/received = (1/1) packets
> > Round-Trip min/avg/max = 2ms/2ms/2ms
> > =====
> >
> > The only remotely 'far' one was
> >
> > ===
> > Hong Kong Telecommunications (HKT) Limited Mass Internet
> >
> > traceroute to 1.65.190.108 (1.65.190.108), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
> > 1 gi0-0-0-18.221.rcr11.b061570-1.hkg02.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.250.193) 0.861 ms 0.879 ms
> > 2 be3692.ccr21.hkg02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.80.33) 1.079 ms 1.159 ms
> > 3 be2414.rcr51.hkg01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.50) 1.772 ms 1.667 ms
> > 4 pccw.hkg01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.140.66) 8.791 ms 3.131 ms
> > 5 HundredGE0-3-0-0.br02.hkg08.pccwbtn.net (63.223.29.194) 3.234 ms 3.232 ms
> > 6 csl.te0-1-0-14.br02.hkg08.pccwbtn.net (63.217.66.30) 3.290 ms 3.367 ms
> > 7 * *
> > 8 * *
> > 9 * *
> > 10 1-65-190-108.static.netvigator.com (1.65.190.108) 47.453 ms 47.441 ms
> > ===
> >
> > Cogent has similar results.
> >
> > If anyone has access to IPs in HK and doesn't mind helping please ping from cogent or lumen LG.
> >
> > Just want to ensure I'm not missing anything here in my analysis.
> >
> > Thanks
> > - Nanoguser99
> > ====

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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Sunday, December 19th, 2021 at 1:01 PM, Raymond Leung <raymond.leung () booking com> wrote:

> Hong Kong isn't that bad, PCCW Netvigator AS4760, HKBN AS9269, HGC AS9304 are all announcing their customer route 
> throughout HKIX
>
> HKBN is one of the largest operator on the market too, and most of the ISP are willing to exchange traffic via IX
>
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> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 3:41 AM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > I think the biggest difference between what the IP transit providers have described is that PCCW is also a major 
> > middle-mile and last-mile provider in Hong Kong. You'll find their 100Mbps to gigabit class end user service in 
> > apartments, condos and office buildings throughout the city.
> >
> > The non-HK based transit providers that would be in a top-40 CAIDA ASRANK size are generally not operators of last 
> > mile connectivity within the city.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 2:54 PM nanoguser99 via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > > Nanog,
> > >
> > > Currently my organization uses PCCW which we pay through the nose for and I'm looking to cut them. This was put in 
> > > place before me. I was informed that PCCW is "the carrier" in Hong Kong but based on my analysis I'm not sure 
> > > that's the case. My analysis of carriers such as Lumen and Cogent put them on par with PCCW. Pings to random IPs in 
> > > HK are reasonable fast on all of them, same with pings to cloud providers. Access to mainland is not a hard 
> > > requirement but just to check they all had 300+ ms latency to known IPs in Shanghai and Tanjin.
> > >
> > > I know some regions such as Korea or Dubai are monopolized where the wrong carrier takes you on a far away path to 
> > > get a few blocks down the street.
> > >
> > > I don't need anything special, just general DIA and good access to eyeballs and internet. I just wanted to see 
> > > people's opinions here as APAC connectivity can be tricky.
> > >
> > > - Nanoguser99
> > >
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