RE: wow, lots of akamai

[Jean St-Laurent via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

I find all of these comments interesting and useful even if we don’t all agree on what would be the best solution.

 

Maybe it’s just a misunderstanding from the perspective of each parties. Maybe there is no solution, but it’s still 
interesting.

 

So far, everybody seems to have a bit of the solution.

 

In the end, if I search on this mailing list:

 

Wow, spike, huge, akamai, yesterday or a combination of these words… the answer is always CoD. 😃


Jean

 

From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me () nanog org> On Behalf Of Patrick W. Gilmore
Sent: April 1, 2021 4:09 PM
To: North American Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: wow, lots of akamai

 

Matt:

 

I am going to disagree with your characterization of how Akamai - and many other CDNs - manage things. First, to be 
blunt, if you really think Akamai nodes are “sitting idle for weeks” before CoD comes out with a new game, you are 
clearly confused.

 

More importantly, I know for a fact Akamai has spent ungodly amounts of money & resources putting content precisely 
where the ISPs ask them to put it, deliver it over the pipes the ISPs ask them to deliver it, at precisely the capacity 
the ISPs tell them.

 

On the other hand, I agree with your characterization of residential broadband. It is ridiculous to expect a 
neighborhood with 1,000 homes each with 1 Gbps links to have a terabit of uplink capacity. But it also should have a 
lot more than 10 Gbps, IMHO. Unfortunately, most neighborhoods I have seen are closer to the latter than the former.

 

Finally, this could quickly devolve into finger pointing. You say the CDNs bear some responsibility? They may well 
respond that the large broadband providers ask for cash to interconnect - but still require the CDNs to do all the 
work. The CDNs did not create the content, or tell the users which content to pull. When I pay $NATIONAL_PROVIDER, I 
expect them to provide me with access to the Internet. Not just to the content that pays that provider.

 

Personally, I have zero problems with the ISPs saying “give me a cache to put here with this sized uplink” or “please 
deliver to these users over this xconn / IX / whatever”. I have a huge problem with the ISPs blaming the ISPs for 
delivering what the ISP’s users request.

 

Of course, this could all be solved if there were more competition in broadband in the US (and many other countries). 
But that is a totally different 10,000 post thread (that we have had many dozens of times).

 

-- 
TTFN,
patrick 





On Apr 1, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Matt Erculiani <merculiani () gmail com <mailto:merculiani () gmail com> > wrote:

 

Niels,

 

I think to clarify Jean's point, when you buy a 300mbps circuit, you're paying for 300mbps of internet access. 

 

That does not mean that a network should (and in this case small-medium ones simply can't) build all of their capacity 
to service a large number of customer circuits at line rate at the same time for an extended period, ESPECIALLY to the 
exact same endpoint. It's just not economically reasonable to expect that. Remember we're talking about residential 
service here, not enterprise circuits.

 

Therefore, how do you prevent this spike of [insert large number here] gigabits traversing the network at the same time 
from causing issues? Build more network? That sounds easy, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons why ISPs can't or 
don't want to do that, particularly for an event that only occurs once per quarter or so.

 

Does Akamai bear some burden here to make these rollouts less troublesome for the ISPs they traverse through the last 
mile(s)? IMO yes, yes they do. When you're doing something new and unprecedented, as Akamai frequently brags about on 
Twitter, like having rapid, bursty growth of traffic, you need to consider that just because you can generate it, 
doesn't mean it can be delivered.  They've gotta be more sophisticated than a bunch of servers with SSD arrays, 
ramdisks, and 100 gig interfaces, so there's no excuse for them here to just blindly fill every link they have after 
sitting idle for weeks/months at a time and expect everything to come out alright and nobody to complain about it.

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 1:21 PM Niels Bakker <niels=nanog () bakker net <mailto:nanog () bakker net> > wrote:

* nanog () nanog org <mailto:nanog () nanog org>  (Jean St-Laurent via NANOG) [Thu 01 Apr 2021, 21:03 CEST]:
> An artificial roll out penalty somehow? Probably not at the ISP 
> level, but more at the game level. Well, ISP could also have some 
> mechanisms to reduce the impact or even Akamai could force a 
> progressive roll out.

It's an online game. You can't play the game with outdated assets. 
You'd not see walls where other players would, for example.

What you're suggesting is the ability of ISPs to market Internet access 
at a certain speed but not have to deliver it based on conditions they 
create.


        -- Niels.




 

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Matt Erculiani

ERCUL-ARIN