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Re: Malicious SS7 activity and why SMS should never by used for 2FA


From: Dan Hollis <goemon () sasami anime net>
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:41:36 -0700 (PDT)

paypal used to openly support token 2fa, but have since made it nearly impossible to use hardware tokens. they try very hard to ram sms down everyones throats.

-Dan

On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, Mel Beckman wrote:

No, every SMS 2FA should be prohibited by regulatory certifications. The telcos had years to secure SMS. They did 
nothing. The plethora of well-secured commercial 2FA authentication tokens, many of them free, should be a mandatory 
replacement for 2FA in every security governance regime, such as PCI, financial account access, government web portals, 
etc.

-mel via cell

On Apr 17, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim () gmail com> wrote:

???
Every SMS 2FA should check the current carrier against the carrier when enrolled and unenroll SMS for 2FA when a number 
is ported out. BofA and a few others do this.

--
Tim

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 8:02 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com<mailto:eric.kuhnke () gmail com>> wrote:
https://lucky225.medium.com/its-time-to-stop-using-sms-for-anything-203c41361c80

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/can-we-stop-pretending-sms-is-secure-now/


Anecdotal: With the prior consent of the DID holders, I have successfully ported peoples' numbers using nothing more than a JPG 
scan of a signature that looks like an illegible 150 dpi black and white blob, pasted in an image editor on top of a generic looking 
'phone bill'.





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