Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

[Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>]

Hertz car rental has the #1 product in its industry, even its major competitor Avis agrees (“We’re number two“:-), and 
yet Hertz stock is plunging towards zero even as we speak. Stock price has nothing to do with product quality. 
Theranos, for example, had a completely fictional product, yet it stock price skyrocketed.

Stock price is simply a way of measuring the perceived market value of a company‘s earning potential.

 -mel beckman

On May 26, 2020, at 11:50 PM, Etienne-Victor Depasquale <edepa () ieee org> wrote:


" stock value is a terribly inaccurate way to measure if a company is "excelling."  "

That requires qualification.

Stock value might be a "terribly inaccurate way" in the short term but in the long term, it reflects whether you have a 
marketable product or not.

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:20 PM Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net<mailto:nanog () ics-il net>> wrote:
Kind of OT for NANOG, but stock value is a terribly inaccurate way to measure if a company is "excelling." Wall Street 
knows nothing of how to run a company, prioritizing quarterly profit over long-term success. Not hiring additional 
staff makes your quarterly numbers look good, but it isn't good for the long-term attractiveness of your product. A 
good business doesn't just target new suckers, they also keep existing customers happy. Eventually you run out of 
suckers and all you have is a bunch of burned bridges in your wake.

I subscribe to several feature requests in their community that are YEARS old with little to no response from Ubiquiti. 
Some of them can't be hard for Ubiquiti to implement because they're running on the exact same hardware and underlying 
OS and some of them you can configure in JSON files, but they just aren't available in the GUI. They just don't care. 
They'd rather push out Flavor Flav cameras or lighting.

They came out with a new product in a particular family and opened a new feature request section for it. I commented 
something similar to, "Start with feature parity with the existing product, then start working through the years of 
feature requests there. Come back when you're done."


This doesn't just afflict equipment manufacturers. Network operators are in the same boat. Both groups have companies 
profiting hundreds of millions or billions of dollars every quarter, can't spare a few hundred grand a year for a 
couple dev-ops guys to just bang out automation or features. Yes, I understand you rarely get twice the work from twice 
the people, but there are opportunities to make this better.





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From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattlists () rivervalleyinternet net<mailto:mattlists () rivervalleyinternet net>>
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net<mailto:nanog () ics-il net>>
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Subject: Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

Except, you could argue they are exceling.  Stocks are going up up up,
and folks buy the product.

I really wish stock holders would ask the proper questions in the
quarterly calls.

On 5/26/20 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> That is a big problem. In terms of their UniFi product line, there are
> no reasonable alternatives.
>
> Upper management is the biggest problem. They have severe ADD.
>
> A ton of companies have these kinds of issues. They just plain don't
> hire enough people in the right areas to really excel.
>
>
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> *From: *"Ben P" <bp () list-subs com<mailto:bp () list-subs com>>
> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net<mailto:nanog () ics-il net>>
> *Cc: *"j k" <jsklein () gmail com<mailto:jsklein () gmail com>>, "NANOG list" <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () 
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> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2020 5:01:36 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?
>
> Agree 1000% with the sentiments expressed by Mike.
>
> Unfortunately despite much research I’ve been unable to find a suitable
> replacement vendor.  All the other vendors seem to want to ram
> cloud-management down your throat which I absolutely do not want.  My
> network, my control, not under the auspices of someone else’s magic cloud.
>
>
>
>     On 25 May 2020, at 21:21, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net<mailto:nanog () ics-il net>
>     <mailto:nanog () ics-il net<mailto:nanog () ics-il net>>> wrote:
>
>     The company has mostly fallen apart. Their sales are going up, but
>     their responsiveness and customer support have been declining over
>     the last five years.
>
>
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>     *Sent:*Monday, May 25, 2020 3:16:36 PM
>     *Subject:*Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?
>
>     Does anyone have a good contact at Ubiquity Networks? Finding a
>     pattern I don't like.
>
>     Joe Klein
>     "inveniet viam, aut faciet"^ --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II,
>     Scene 1)
>     "I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela



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Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
University of Malta
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