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Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:07:55 -0800
On Jan 31, 2020, at 09:38 , David Conrad <drc () virtualized org> wrote: Ronald, Speaking only for myself… As I’ve recently seen complaints about RIRs directed to ICANN (in a different context than the issues at AfriNIC), a bit of clarification may be in order:What can or should be done when a registry goes rogue?In my view, it is primarily the responsibility of the community served the the RIR to reign it in if it goes rogue.And to be clear, I am most definitely *not* talking about an investigation performed by what is effectively AFRINIC's parent company, ICANN.ICANN is not the parent company of AfriNIC (or any other RIR, some of which existed prior to ICANN being created). While ICANN recognizes new RIRs (according to https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en>) and recognizes “global policies” that reach consensus across all RIRs, there are no policies, processes, or mechanisms by which ICANN can exert any form of control over the RIRs. ICANN performs a set of functions for the RIRs at their request via the IANA functions and can be seen in that light as a service provider to the RIRs. It is probably most accurate to view ICANN and the RIRs as peer organizations, connected operationally via the IANA functions, which primarily focus on different universes (domain names in ICANN’s case, IP addresses in the RIRs’ case).
It is sad to see this statement coming from someone so high up in ICANN… So often ICANN has focused strictly on that first N. I would say it is more accurate to refer to ICANN in the context of the RIRs as a vendor and little more. ICANN performs services (maintenance of the central registry and coordination of large blocks of number resources being delegated to the individual RIRs from that central registry). Technically, I believe this is done through PTI, though I admit that I still haven’t managed to gain 100% clarity on how the PTI<->ICANN relationship functions or whether the RIRs are contracted to ICANN or to PTI or to both.
And since ICANN calls the tune with respect to all Internet governance mattersI suspect the folks at the RIRs, Internet Society, IGF, ITU, W3C, ETSI, IETF, IAB, etc. may not agree with this assertion.
Speaking only for myself, I certainly don’t agree with this assertion. Owen
Current thread:
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues, (continued)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues thomas brenac via NANOG (Jan 28)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues Ronald F. Guilmette (Jan 28)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues Chris Knipe (Jan 29)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues James Shank (Jan 29)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues Chris Knipe (Jan 29)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues Ronald F. Guilmette (Jan 28)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues thomas brenac via NANOG (Jan 28)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues afpd () yandex ru (Jan 30)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues Dan Hollis (Jan 30)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues Ronald F. Guilmette (Jan 30)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues David Conrad (Jan 31)
- Re: AFRINIC: The Saga Continues Owen DeLong (Jan 31)