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Re: NTP question


From: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 03:56:05 +0000

Gary, Gary, Gary,

You don’t need a $30,000 GPS simulator to verify if a GPS product in your inventory has the rollover bug. You simply 
ask the supplier to certify that they don’t have the rollover bug. They use their _$100,000_ GPS simulator If needed, 
but usually it’s done with a trivial code review. 

If the supplier can’t provide such a certification, then they are no longer a supplier. This tends to persuade them to 
certify. 

If you as an air carrier (or any other critical GPS consumer) fail to ask for such a certification in time to field a 
replacement, that’s your fault.

You might not be aware, but zero US air carriers had any unplanned  downtime from the GPS rollover. I can’t say the 
same thing for certain Asian air carriers :)

-mel via cell

On May 1, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Gary E. Miller <gem () rellim com> wrote:

Yo Mel!

On Thu, 2 May 2019 03:30:03 +0000
Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:

I’m also an FAA licensed A&P mechanic, and have worked for airlines
in fleet maintenance.  Air carriers have extremely thorough systems
reviews, by law, through the Airworthiness Directive program, which
started identifying 2019 GPS rollover vulnerabilities in ... 2009!
Nobody was surprised.  If any GPS systems “went nuts”, it was through
the incompetence and negligence of their owners.

How many GPS owners happen to have $30,000 GPS simulators to check
their $300 GPS/NTP servers?  Some of mine did, most did not.

Seems to me the negligence is in the GPS manufacturer that failed to
notify their customers.

To be fair, Avidyne and Telit did notify their customers, but not with
a fix or enough lead time to swap out the units.

RGDS
GARY
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