Re: Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6

[Mike Leber <mleber () he net>]

You are assuming the routing and transit relationships in IPv4 are the
same in IPv6.

IPv4 has many many many suboptimal transit relationships where routing
is purposely suboptimal on the part of the networks in the path due to
competitive reasons.  One example of suboptimal routing is traffic not
being exchanged in a closer location where both networks exist and
instead being routed hundreds or thousands of miles out of the way.

Customers don't get to influence the decisions of monopolies etc.

Customers choose based on inertia, brand experience, and what options
are even available to them to get IPv6 vs IPv4.

IPv6 has randomized some of these vendor relationships due to some
upstream networks not even implementing IPv6, meaning the downstream
networks were forced to make other choices.


On 3/31/19 6:21 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> It is not possible for web pages to load faster over IPv6 than over IPv4.  All other factors being equal, IPv6 has 
> higher overhead than IPv4 for the same payload throughput.  This means that it is physically impossible for IPv6 to 
> be move payload bytes "faster" than IPv4 can move the same payload.
>
> In other words, IPv6 has a higher "packet tax" than IPv4.  Since you have no choice but to pay the "packet tax" the 
> actual payload data flows more slowly.
>
> ---
> The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Ca By
> > Sent: Sunday, 31 March, 2019 18:53
> > To: Matt Hoppes
> > Cc: Aaron C. de Bruyn; NANOG mailing list
> > Subject: Re: Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:20 PM Matt Hoppes
> > <mattlists () rivervalleyinternet net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >      Going to play devils advocate.
> >
> >      If frontier has a ton of ipv4 addresses, what benefit is there
> > to them in rolling out ipv6?
> >
> >      What benefit is there to you?
> >
> >
> > I love xbox and xbox works better on ipv6,
> >
> > https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wed.general.palmer.xbox_.47
> > .pdf
> >
> > Also, webpages load faster , and i love fast web pages
> >
> > https://code.fb.com/networking-traffic/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-on-
> > board/
> >
> >
> > https://www.akamai.com/fr/fr/multimedia/documents/technical-
> > publication/a-case-for-faster-mobile-web-in-cellular-ipv6-
> > networks.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:11 PM, C. A. Fillekes
> > <cfillekes () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >              Still it's pretty darn good having real broadband on the
> > farm.  One thing at a time.
> >
> >
> >              But, let's start thinking about ways to get Frontier up to
> > speed on the IPv6 thing.
> >
> >
> >
> >              On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:24 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn
> > <aaron () heyaaron com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >                      You're not alone.
> >
> >                      I talked with my local provider about 4 years ago and
> > they said "We will probably start looking into IPv6 next year".
> >                      I talked with them last month and they said "Yeah,
> > everyone seems to be offering it.  I guess I'll have to start reading
> > how to implement it".
> >
> >                      I'm sure 2045 will finally be the year of IPv6
> > everywhere.
> >
> >                      -A
> >
> >                      On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:36 AM C. A. Fillekes
> > <cfillekes () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >                              So by COB yesterday we now officially have FIOS
> > at our farm.
> >
> >
> >                              Went from 3Mbps to around 30 measured average.
> > Yay.
> >
> >
> >                              It's a business account, Frontier.  But...still
> > no IPv6.
> >
> >
> >                              The new router's capable of it.  What's the hold
> > up?
> >
> >
> >                              Customer service's response is "We don't offer
> > that".