Re: OpenDNS CGNAT Issues

[Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net>]

The reason you are asking is because of a technical decision you have made that would be mitigated partially by 
deploying V6. 

I get you may not care, may not like the message but all the people who are having more problems because of this and 
other decisions you make in this area are driving up the price of v4 and also making more work for yourselves in the 
long term. 

Jared Mauch

> On Sep 11, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.steffl () mnwifi com> wrote:
>
> Guys, I'm not asking about IPv6. I'm simply asking for a contact at OpenDNS.
>
> And we are purchasing enough IPv4 space to provide an IP to every customer but it's not ready yet.
>
> Thank you
>
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:31 AM Matt Hoppes <mattlists () rivervalleyinternet net> wrote:
> > > So don't CGNat?  Buy IPv4 addresses at auction?
> >
> > As long as you don’t deploy ipv6, you should be good. 
> >
> > Seriously. Not sure why this is so hard. IPv4 does not scale.  Your customers, like my customers, probably mostly go 
> > to Youtube, google, fb, netflix, .... all which have ipv6. Giving your existing customers ipv6 moves this traffic 
> > off your cgn. And gives them a path to dns services. 
> >
> > But you do you. if you ask NANOG, how to solve this problem, and missed the 3 NANOG meeting presos at every meeting 
> > about how ipv6 is good .... not sure what you expect here. Definately not a shoulder to cry on, but i wm sure some 
> > v4 brokers and cgn box pushers see your customers blood in the water. 
> >
> > CB
> > > On 9/11/18 9:28 AM, Ca By wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:04 AM Matt Hoppes 
> > > > <mattlists () rivervalleyinternet net 
> > > > <mailto:mattlists () rivervalleyinternet net>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     That isn’t a solution. He still will need to dual stack and CGNat that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But the flows that can support ipv6, will go ipv6 and not be subject to 
> > > > these abuse triggers.
> > > >
> > > > Look, this list has monthly reports from some small network operator 
> > > > hurting their customers with CGN NAT. Meanwhile, the big guys like 
> > > > Comcast / Charter / ATT / Cox have moved onto ipv6.
> > > >
> > > > Where does that leave the little guy with CGN?
> > > >
> > > > Right here. Screaming into the avoid begging for help. Some special 
> > > > exception.
> > > >
> > > > And, me, saying you had 10+ years of not deploying ipv6.  Here’s to the 
> > > > next 10 years of you email this list about your own failure to keep up 
> > > > with the times.
> > > >
> > > > We will have this discussion again and again.  Not sure your customers 
> > > > will stick around, all they know is your CGN space got black listed from 
> > > > yet another service
> > > >
> > > > #realtalk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     On Sep 11, 2018, at 08:54, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com
> > > >     <mailto:cb.list6 () gmail com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >     On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:12 PM Darin Steffl
> > > > >     <darin.steffl () mnwifi com <mailto:darin.steffl () mnwifi com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >         Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > >         I have a ticket open with OpenDNS about filtering happening on
> > > > >         some of our CGNAT IP space where a customer has "claimed" the
> > > > >         IP as theirs so other customers using that same IP and OpenDNS
> > > > >         are being filtered and not able to access sites that fall
> > > > >         under their chosen filter.
> > > > >
> > > > >         I have a ticket open from 6 days ago but it's not going
> > > > >         anywhere fast.
> > > > >
> > > > >         Can someone from OpenDNS contact me or point me to a contact
> > > > >         there to help get this resolved? I believe we need to claim
> > > > >         our CGNAT IP space so residential users can't claim IP's of
> > > > >         their own.
> > > > >
> > > > >         Thank you!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >     You should provide your users ipv6, opendns supports ipv6 and
> > > > >     likely will not have this issue you see
> > > > >
> > > > >     https://www.opendns.com/about/innovations/ipv6/
> > > > >
> > > > >     I am sure it may cost you time / money / effort. But this old
> > > > >     thing we call ipv4 is in a death spiral, and it will just get
> > > > >     worse and worse for you without ipv6.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >         -- 
> > > > >         Darin Steffl
> > > > >         Minnesota WiFi
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