Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

[ML <ml () kenweb org>]

$100M+ in federal dollars goes a long way.


On 5/29/2018 10:17 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Is that PennRen\Kinber?
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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> Midwest Internet Exchange
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> The Brothers WISP
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> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattlists () rivervalleyinternet net>
> To: "Lamar Owen" <lowen () pari edu>
> Cc: nanog () nanog org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:27:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)
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> I am incredibly rural in Pennsylvania and pay about $.50 per megabit.
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> > On May 29, 2018, at 09:23, Lamar Owen <lowen () pari edu> wrote:
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> > > On 05/28/2018 06:13 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
> > > Your 200mbit/sec link that costs you $300 in hardware
> > > is going to cost you $4960/month to actually get IP traffic
> > > across, in Nairobi. Yes, that's about $60,000/year.
> > I live in the US of A, and this is what 200Mb/s roughly would cost me as well here in Rural Monopoly-land. Rural ILEC also has 
> > the CATV business, and, well, they are _not_ going to run cable up here. I've actually priced 150Mb/s bandwidth from the 
> > ILEC over the years; in 2003 the cost would have been about $100,000 per month. As of five years ago 10Mb/s symmetrical cost 
> > roughly $1,000 per month, the lion's share of that being per-mile NECA Tariff 5 transport costs.
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> > The terrain here prevents fixed wireless. The terrain also prevents satellite comms to the Clarke belt (mountain to the south with 
> > trees on US Forest Service property in the line of sight). I get 1XRTT in one room of my house when the humidity is below 70% and 
> > it's winter, and once in a blue moon 3G will light up, but it's not stable enough to actually use; it's the speed of 
> > dialup. If I traipse about a hundred yards up the mountain to the south (onto US Forest Service property, so, no repeater for me) I 
> > can get semi-usable 4G; nothing like being in the middle of the woods with an active black bear population trying to get a usable 
> > signal.
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> > I'm paying $50 per month for 7/0.5 DSL (I might add that they provide excellent DSL that has been extremely reliable) 
> > from the only ISP available in the area.
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> > I remember a usable web experience not too long ago on 28.8K/33.6K dialup (it was quite a while before said ILEC got a 
> > 56K-capable modem bank). DSL started out here at 384k/128k. On the positive side, we have a very low oversubscription 
> > ratio, so I actually get the full bandwidth the majority of the time, even video streaming. I also know all the network 
> > engineers there, too, and that also has its advantages.
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> > (Yes, I am aware that rural living is a choice, and there are things worth a great deal more than bandwidth, that it's 
> > a tradeoff, etc.)
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> > So it's not just '3rd-world' countries with expensive bandwidth.