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Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time
From: Jimmy Hess <mysidia () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 01:16:28 -0600
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, James Breeden <James () arenalgroup co> wrote:
I.e. some form of ARIN or global policy that basically says "If AS number not routed or whois updated or used in 24 months, said AS number can be public noticed via mailing list and website and then revoked and reissued to a pending, approved AS request"
Why? What is the justification for a reclamation project? Besides this is Outside the purview, scope, or powers that RIRs/ ARIN in particular have put into their public policy development process. of. Number resource policies govern management regarding number resources: allocation, assignment, and transfer. Policies are not able to set fees or conditions on any existing services. Revoking an unused resource would require a condition on existing services that cannot be defined by a number resource policy. EXISTING number resources in ARIN region in particular are serviced under the RSA contract that include terms specifically informs the end user that ARIN is disclaiming itself from having any ability or authority to revoke any unused resources or cancel any services for lack of use.
"ARIN will take no action to reduce the Services currently provided for
Included Number Resources due to lack of utilization by the Holder, and (ii) ARIN has no right to revoke any included Number Resources under this Agreement due to lack of utilization by Holder. However, ARIN may refuse to permit transfers or additional allocations of number resources to Holder if Holder’s included Number Resources are not utilized in accordance with Policy." I'm amazed at the number of AS numbers that are assigned, but not actively
being used.
"Actively being used" is determined only by the resource holder. And before you come back with "Well they may be using it internally where it doesn't need to be in the GRT" - that's why we have Private AS
numbers.
It is a valid technical decision to use AS numbers internally, and there are reasons Not to use the small pool of available Private AS numbers, Even if the private AS numbers might be available for some legitimate use cases; there is no reason to favor them when privately interconnecting networks across multiple organizations or policy domains, and it is perfectly valid to maintain uniquely-registered AS numbers for such internal purposes. -- -JH
Current thread:
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time, (continued)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Owen DeLong (Jan 03)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Mark Andrews (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Job Snijders (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time William Herrin (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Seth Mattinen (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Randy Bush (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Owen DeLong (Jan 03)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Christopher Morrow (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Martin List-Petersen (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Julien Goodwin (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Jimmy Hess (Jan 02)
- Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time William Herrin (Jan 03)