Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers opposed to FCC privacy repeal

[Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>]

Davide,

My example is simply a reductio ad absurdum, to demonstrate the error of the idea that ISPs should be allowed to resell 
data "because money". :)

 -mel 

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 12:08 AM, Davide Davini <diotonante () gmail com> wrote:
>
> Even though your example is a bit melodramatic I agree with the concept,
> all the arguments against the ownership that users have on their own
> data is just hogwash.
>
> If there needs to be government imposed regulations to ensure it, I have
> zero problems with it.
>
> > On 29/03/2017 03:19, Mel Beckman wrote:
> > What about bank robbery? Little ISPs could supplement their incomes using that immoral revenue stream too. The ends 
> > don't justify the means. Browsing history belongs to the user, not the ISP. Robbing users of this data is not 
> > justified just because it would give ISPs -- of any size -- a new revenue stream.
> >
> > -mel beckman
> >
> > > On Mar 28, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
> > >
> > > What about little ISPs? There are already monetization platforms out there that can be resold to small ISPs. The 
> > > company sells the aggregate data upstream. Not that I would, but in a small ISP, that money makes a big difference. 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- 
> > > Mike Hammett 
> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > >
> > > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> > >
> > > The Brothers WISP 
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: "Mel Beckman" <mel () beckman org> 
> > > To: "Hugo Slabbert" <hugo () slabnet com> 
> > > Cc: nanog () nanog org 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:08:19 PM 
> > > Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers opposed to FCC privacy repeal 
> > >
> > > Hugo, 
> > >
> > > That's a great find! I note in the article: 
> > >
> > > "Not only is the price of the premier service (with ads) only $70 a month, but it comes with a waiver of equipment, 
> > > installation, and activation fees. The standard service without ads is $99 a month..." 
> > >
> > > So that's $29 a month to let AT&T track your Web browsing, but only for targeting ads. ATT promises "And we won’t 
> > > sell your personal information to anyone, for any reason." 
> > >
> > > I would guess that the ability to sell that data would be worth several times the $29/month, so it's conceivable 
> > > that a provider could offer $10/mo Gig Internet in exchange for browsing history. 
> > >
> > > But nobody does. 
> > >
> > > Because they think they can steal it. 
> > >
> > > I think this pretty well demonstrates the greed of the big-ISP executives who lobbied for today's legislative 
> > > atrocity, which lets them rob customers of browsing history that even AT&T execs acknowledge users own. 
> > >
> > > -mel beckman 
> > >
> > > On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo () slabnet com<mailto:hugo () slabnet com>> wrote: 
> > >
> > > Now, if ISPs want to PURCHASE browser data from customers directly, I'm 
> > > sure they'll get some takers. But that strategy has never appeared in 
> > > any business plan I've seen. 
> > >
> > > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/att-offers-gigabit-internet-discount-in-exchange-for-your-web-history/
> > >  ? 
> > > -- 
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