Re: CenturyLink in Advanced Talks to Merge With Level 3 Communications - Interweb is doomed

[Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>]

It's funny you should mention that. I just learned that our CL traffic rides on a single lambda is a Level3 fiber. 
Oddly, though, the cost to buy that same circuit directly from Level3 is twice as high.

Which bodes ill for circuit pricing in the reduced-competition environment following the merger. A similar thing 
happened to us when L3 bought TWT. In both cases L3 says "but you're getting such a better network!" Alas, that turned 
out to be not the case with the TWT acquisition, as merger mishaps caused numerous outages. 

 -mel

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Jared Geiger <jared () compuwizz net> wrote:
>
> Savvis 3561 still exists on Centurylink's side too. 6 networks down to 1
> ... How much of that fiber for each network was running in the same conduit
> to begin with anyway?
>
> Centurylink
> Qwest
> Savvis
>
> Level3
> Global Crossing
> TWTC
>
> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:24 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 10/28/16 12:18 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
> > > Level3 hasn't even finished migrating its TWTelecom customers to the L3
> > AS yes, and it's been years. So I don't think you can expect any faster
> > transition for CL.
> > 3549 still exists...
> > > -mel beckman
> > >
> > > > On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Timothy Lister <incudie () gmail com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So if this went through, how would it happen? Does 3356 (L3) absorb
> > 209's
> > > > (CL) infrastructure and slowly make customers change their peering
> > config
> > > > to hit 3356 instead?
> > > >
> > > > You make a good point, I have at least a couple clients that peer to
> > both
> > > > providers for redundancy. One of which just recently signed an agreement
> > > > with CenturyLink for the sole purpose of fail over.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Re: CenturyLink in Advanced Talks to Merge With Level 3 Communications -
> > > > Interweb is doomed
> > > > From: Jima <nanog () jima us>
> > > > To: <nanog () nanog org>
> > > > > > > On 10/27/2016 12:36, Nevin Gonsalves via NANOG wrote:
> > > > > > > :-)
> > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/centurylink-in-advanced-talks-
> > to-merge-with-level-3-communications-1477589011
> > > > This is great! Except for all of their mutual customers who had circuits
> > > > from both for redundancy. (See also: Level 3's and TWTC's mutual
> > > > customers, and probably a long list of other M&A I'm not thinking of
> > > > off-hand.)
> > > >
> > > > OK, I lied about it being great anyway.
> > > >
> > > >     Jima
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Re: CenturyLink in Advanced Talks to Merge With Level 3 Communications -
> > > > Interweb is doomed
> > > > From: Jima <nanog () jima us>
> > > > To: <nanog () nanog org>