Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

[Blair Trosper <blair.trosper () gmail com>]

I dunno.  I could argue that I could -- to extend that idea -- let
literally ANYONE tunnel through my Comcast Business connection to appear to
be in the Bay Area.  How's that fundamentally different than a service like
TunnelBroker apart from economies of scale?

More than a few people I know are ready to dump Netflix for this.
Fortunately, where I live, Comcast Business has native dual stack...

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Spencer Ryan <sryan () arbor net> wrote:

> There is no way for Netflix to know the difference between you being in NY
> and using the tunnel, and you living in Hong Kong and using the tunnel.
>
>
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> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Cryptographrix <cryptographrix () gmail com>
> wrote:
>
> > Same, but until there's a real IPv6 presence in the US, it's really
> > annoying that they haven't come up with some fix for this.
> >
> > I have no plans to turn off IPv6 at home - I actually have many uses for
> > it, and as much as I dislike the controversy around it, think that adoption
> > needs to be prioritized, not penalized.
> >
> > Additionally, I think that discussing content provider control over
> > regional decisions isn't productive to the conversation, as they didn't
> > build the banhammer (wouldn't you want to control your own content if you
> > had made content specific to regional laws etc?).
> >
> > I.e. - not all shows need to have regional restrictions between New York
> > (where I live) and California (where my IPv6 /64 says I live).
> >
> > I'm able to watch House in the any state in the U.S.? Great - ignore my
> > intra-US proxy connection.
> >
> > My Netflix account randomly tries to connect from Tokyo because I forgot
> > to shut off my work VPN? Fine....let me know and I'll turn *that* off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM Spencer Ryan <sryan () arbor net> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't blame them for blocking a (effectively) anonymous tunnel broker.
> > > I'm sure their content providers are forcing their hand.
> > > On Jun 3, 2016 3:46 PM, "Cryptographrix" <cryptographrix () gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Netflix needs to figure out a fix for this until ISPs actually provide
> > > > IPv6
> > > > natively.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:13 PM Blair Trosper <blair.trosper () gmail com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Confirmed that Hurricane Electric's TunnelBroker is now blocked by
> > > > > Netflix.  Anyone nice people from Netflix perhaps want to take a
> > > > crack at
> > > > > this?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, <mike.hyde1 () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Had the same problem at my house, but it was caused by the IPv6
> > > > > connection
> > > > > > to HE.  Turned of V6 and the device worked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent with Airmail
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On June 1, 2016 at 10:29:03 PM, Matthew Kaufman (matthew () matthew at
> > > > )
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Every device in my house is blocked from Netflix this evening due to
> > > > > > their new "VPN blocker". My house is on my own IP space, and the
> > > > outside
> > > > > > of the NAT that the family devices are on is 198.202.199.254,
> > > > announced
> > > > > > by AS 11994. A simple ping from Netflix HQ in Los Gatos to my house
> > > > > > should show that I'm no farther away than Santa Cruz, CA as
> > > > microwaves
> > > > > > fly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, when one calls Netflix support to talk about this,
> > > > the
> > > > > > only response is to say "call your ISP and have them turn off the
> > > > VPN
> > > > > > software they've added to your account". And they absolutely refuse
> > > > to
> > > > > > escalate. Even if you tell them that you are essentially your own
> > > > ISP.
> > > > > > So... where's the Netflix network engineer on the list who all of
> > > > us can
> > > > > > send these issues to directly?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matthew Kaufman