RE: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

["Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund () medline com>]

Two problem I see with that.

1.      My TV is going to have a hard time figuring out its GPS location inside my living room.
2.      It's not hard to make a device lie about a GPS position.

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL

-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Cryptographrix
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:18 PM
To: Robert Jacobs; Spencer Ryan
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

To be honest, I don't care about content providers having control over regional access controls - it's completely 
technologically backwards, but they're all about time zones so they can do what they want.

BUT there are more reliable ways than using an IP to get geographic location in an era where any website can request 
your GPS location.

They have an iOS team that can provide them with *the most authoritatively precise location of my device* for their 
Apple TV app.

My IP should be the last thing they check to determine my location. I can do a million things to tweak that, including 
things that their proxy detection will never ever find out about.


On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:55 PM Robert Jacobs <rjacobs () pslightwave com>
wrote:

> Seems everyone continues to forget the content providers are not 
> Netflix...They are the Disney, Discovery, NBC, Turner ect... These are 
> the ones that put clauses and restrictions in their licensing and 
> re-broadcast agreements forcing things like Netflix is doing..
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Spencer Ryan
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:49 PM
> To: Cryptographrix <cryptographrix () gmail com>
> Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
>
> I don't blame them for blocking a (effectively) anonymous tunnel broker.
> I'm sure their content providers are forcing their hand.
> On Jun 3, 2016 3:46 PM, "Cryptographrix" <cryptographrix () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > Netflix needs to figure out a fix for this until ISPs actually 
> > provide
> > IPv6 natively.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:13 PM Blair Trosper 
> > <blair.trosper () gmail com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Confirmed that Hurricane Electric's TunnelBroker is now blocked by 
> > > Netflix.  Anyone nice people from Netflix perhaps want to take a 
> > > crack at this?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, <mike.hyde1 () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Had the same problem at my house, but it was caused by the IPv6
> > > connection
> > > > to HE.  Turned of V6 and the device worked.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Sent with Airmail
> > > >
> > > > On June 1, 2016 at 10:29:03 PM, Matthew Kaufman
> > > > (matthew () matthew at)
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Every device in my house is blocked from Netflix this evening 
> > > > due to their new "VPN blocker". My house is on my own IP space, 
> > > > and the
> > outside
> > > > of the NAT that the family devices are on is 198.202.199.254, 
> > > > announced by AS 11994. A simple ping from Netflix HQ in Los 
> > > > Gatos to my house should show that I'm no farther away than 
> > > > Santa Cruz, CA as microwaves fly.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, when one calls Netflix support to talk about 
> > > > this, the only response is to say "call your ISP and have them 
> > > > turn off the VPN software they've added to your account". And 
> > > > they absolutely refuse to escalate. Even if you tell them that 
> > > > you are
> essentially your own ISP.
> > > > So... where's the Netflix network engineer on the list who all 
> > > > of us
> > can
> > > > send these issues to directly?
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Kaufman