RE: Netflix banning HE tunnels

[Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com>]

The content providers wouldn't care if it was a very small number of people evading their region restrictions, but it 
isn't a small number. Those avoiding it are already not in good faith. While I don't agree with the content providers 
business model, it's their content, their rules. 

If you don't think it's right that Netflix is blocking VPNs and tunnels, then switch to Hulu and/or Amazon, however 
it's just matter of time before they start blocking VPNs and tunnels themselves.

I agree that matching Geolocation with source IP addresses is a bad idea, but until someone comes up with a better idea 
and gets it implemented ( one that can't be modified by the end user), people with a business model that depends on it 
will continue to block based on IP. "Good faith" will be laughed at, and rightly so.



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Laszlo
> Hanyecz
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 3:34 PM
> To: nanog () nanog org
> Subject: Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels
>
>
>
> On 2016-06-08 18:57, Javier J wrote:
> > Tony, I agree 100% with you. Unfortunately I need ipv6 on my media
> subnet
> > because it's part of my lab. And now that my teenage daughter is
> > complaining about Netflix not working g on her Chromebook I'm
> starting to
> > think consumers should just start complaining to Netflix. Why should
> I have
> > to change my damn network to fix Netflix?
> >
> > In her eyes it's "daddy fix Netflix" but the heck with that. The man
> hours
> > of the consumers who are affected to work around this issue is less
> than
> > the man hours it would take for Netflix to redirect you with a 301 to
> an
> > ipv4 only endpont.
> >
> > If Netflix needs help with this point me in the right direction. I'll
> be
> > happy to fix it for them and send them a bill.
>
> They're doing the same thing with IPv4 (banning people based on the
> apparent IP address).  Your IPv4 numbers may not be on their blacklist
> at the moment, and disabling IPv6 might work for you, but the
> underlying
> problem is the practice of GeoIP/VPN blocking, and the HE.net tunnels
> are just one example of the collateral damage.
>
> I don't know why Netflix and other GeoIP users can't just ask customers
> where they are located, instead of telling them.  It is possible that
> some user might lie, but what about "assume good faith"?  It shows how
> much they value you as a customer if they would rather dump you than
> trust you to tell them where you are located.
>
> -Laszlo