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Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
From: Spencer Ryan <sryan () arbor net>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:03:16 -0400
As an addendum to this and what someone said earlier about the tunnels not being anonymous: From Netflix's perspective they are. Yes HE knows who controls which tunnel, but if Netflix went to HE and said "Tell me what user has xxxxx/48" HE would say "No". Thus, making them an effective anonymous VPN service from Netflix's perspective. *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | sryan () arbor net *Arbor Networks* +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m) www.arbornetworks.com On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com> wrote:
Netflix IS acting in their user's best interest. In order to provide content that the user's want, the content providers have mandated that they do their due diligence to block out of region users including VPN and open tunnel access. As Hulu and Amazon prime become more popular and their contracts with the content provides come due, they will have to also. You can argue about the content provides business model all you want, but Netflix has to do what they are doing. They aren't blocking IPv6 users, they are blocking users that are using VPNs and/or tunnels since their currently is no practical way of providing GEOIP information about that users that the content providers require. ---- Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd Director of Operations | Purchase, NY 10577 OTA Management LLC | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-694-5669-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Scott Morizot Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 10:50 AM To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu> Cc: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org> Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed I have Hulu Plus and Amazon Prime. The only thing I would miss from Netflix is their Marvel original series. And I can live with that. I can't live without my IPv6 enabled home network and Internet connection since that's an essential part of my job. (I'm the IPv6 transition technical lead for a large organization.) While I actually manage my home internet gateway through a linux server and have fine-grained control over the firewall rules, I'm still debating whether I care enough about a handful of series to continue paying a company that is deliberately acting against its users' interests. Right now I'm leaning toward no. But I'll discuss it with my wife before making a final decision. Scott On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu> wrote:On 6/Jun/16 01:45, Damian Menscher wrote:Who are these non-technical Netflix users who accidentally stumbledintohaving a HE tunnel broker connection without their knowledge? Iwasn'taware this sort of thing could happen without user consent, andwouldliketo know if I'm wrong. Only thing I can imagine is if ISPs areusing HEasa form of CGN.There are several networks around the world that rely on 6-in-4becausetheir local provider does not offer IPv6. Mark.
Current thread:
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed, (continued)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Mark Andrews (Jun 05)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Damian Menscher (Jun 05)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Spencer Ryan (Jun 05)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Mark Andrews (Jun 05)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Laszlo Hanyecz (Jun 05)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Christopher Morrow (Jun 05)
- Re: HE tunnels, was Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed John Levine (Jun 05)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Mark Tinka (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Scott Morizot (Jun 06)
- RE: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Matthew Huff (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Spencer Ryan (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed John Peach (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Mark Felder (Jun 06)
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- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Mark Felder (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Aled Morris (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Steven Noble (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Christopher Morrow (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Eric Kuhnke (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Mark Andrews (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Laszlo Hanyecz (Jun 06)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Eric Kuhnke (Jun 06)