Re: AW: AW: AW: Peering Exchange

["i3D.net - Martijn Schmidt" <martijnschmidt () i3d net>]

Hi Jürgen,

Well, I did say "nearly" every major IP transit provider.. :-)

If BGP action communities are important to your network and your
existing upstream(s) don't support them, then maybe it is time to start
looking for a different transit provider.

Best regards,
Martijn

On 01/27/2016 03:31 PM, Jürgen Jaritsch wrote:
> Hi Dovid,
>
> Yes, vitamin B often helps. But it doesn't matter - if the transit provider doesn't support it on an official way you 
> do net get an SLA for the communities. They could stop working from one day to another ...
>
>  
>
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>
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dovid Bender [mailto:dovid () telecurve com] 
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Jänner 2016 15:23
> An: Jürgen Jaritsch <jj () anexia at>; NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org>; i3D net - Martijn Schmidt <martijnschmidt 
> () i3d net>; Andrey Yakovlev <andy.yakov () ya ru>; Bernd Spiess <bernd.spiess () ip-it com>; Colton Conor 
> <colton.conor () gmail com>; Hugo Slabbert <hugo () slabnet com>
> Cc: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Peering Exchange
>
> HE will if you know who to speak to...
>
> Regards,
>
> Dovid
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jürgen Jaritsch <jj () anexia at>
> Sender: "NANOG" <nanog-bounces () nanog org>Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:20:31 
> To: i3D net - Martijn Schmidt<martijnschmidt () i3d net>; Andrey Yakovlev<andy.yakov () ya ru>; Bernd 
> Spiess<bernd.spiess () ip-it com>; Colton Conor<colton.conor () gmail com>; Hugo Slabbert<hugo () slabnet com>
> Cc: NANOG<nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: AW: AW: Peering Exchange
>
> Hi Martjin,
>
> > I think nearly every major IP transit provider has built out a BGP action community system to allow their customers 
> > to control prefix announcements in
> That’s also what I thought but the truth is: there are MANY major transit providers who simply doesn't support any 
> community ... one of the most famous is Hurricane Electric :(
>
>
>
> Jürgen Jaritsch
> Head of Network & Infrastructure
>
> ANEXIA Internetdienstleistungs GmbH
>
> Telefon: +43-5-0556-300
> Telefax: +43-5-0556-500
>
> E-Mail: JJaritsch () anexia-it com 
> Web: http://www.anexia-it.com 
>
> Anschrift Hauptsitz Klagenfurt: Feldkirchnerstraße 140, 9020 Klagenfurt
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Windbichler
> Firmenbuch: FN 289918a | Gerichtsstand: Klagenfurt | UID-Nummer: AT U63216601
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] Im Auftrag von i3D.net - Martijn Schmidt
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Jänner 2016 15:01
> An: Andrey Yakovlev <andy.yakov () ya ru>; Bernd Spiess <bernd.spiess () ip-it com>; Colton Conor <colton.conor () 
> gmail com>; Hugo Slabbert <hugo () slabnet com>
> Cc: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> Betreff: Re: AW: Peering Exchange
>
> "We also had problems where transit customers said don't want to be
> exported to a certain IX point of presence while he wanted to be
> exported at a different location."
>
> That's a fairly normal request. I think nearly every major IP transit
> provider has built out a BGP action community system to allow their
> customers to control prefix announcements in the way you're describing
> it here (e.g. prepending and no-export to certain peers/upstreams). Of
> course outbound traffic from your customer to "the rest of the world"
> can not be controlled that way.
>
> Best regards,
> Martijn
>
> On 01/27/2016 02:23 AM, Andrey Yakovlev wrote:
> > Some companies present at some IX with no MLPE simply don't like to be listed at all, and they prefer to be filtered 
> > out from LG servers. It's simply their police and some big companies do not have a policy which is the same for 
> > everyone peering, say, content provider X will peer with you if you reach >80Mbps, could not always be true. I have 
> > lived a situation where someone demanded to peer to a DC I happened to manage at that time because his competitor 
> > was peering as well and sharing the same IX, but my company had no real reason to peer from the NOC perspective and 
> > using another port would just be a waste of time and money with no real advantage other than a barely better 
> > latency. Manager said no thanks, as asked for our peering policy to become private. Sometimes things just don't have 
> > a better explanation and some people just don't want to accept a different policy to different players.
> > We also had problems where transit customers said don't want to be exported to a certain IX point of presence while 
> > he wanted to be exported at a different location. Who ever told him he could pick where we export who? Nobody. In 
> > the end if you are seriously interested to join the IX you will bet the full list for MLPEs, etc. Otherwise it's 
> > just the policy for the club.
> >
> > -- 
> > ./andy
> >
> >
> > 26.01.2016, 22:23, "Bernd Spiess" <bernd.spiess () ip-it com>:
> > > >   Is there a way to browse a route server at
> > > >   certain exchanges, and see who is and is not on the route server?
> > >  Quite many ixp´s do so ... so you can verify yourself what is going on...
> > >  Typical offer of a looking glass:
> > >  You can see the sessions, you can see the amount of prefixes,
> > >  You can see the prefix list and you can see the communities & more
> > >  on these prefixes
> > >
> > >  E.g.:
> > >  https://lg.nyc.de-cix.net/
> > >  https://lg.dxb.de-cix.net/
> > >  https://lg.mrs.de-cix.net/ ... and others ...
> > >  https://www.linx.net/pubtools/looking-glass.html
> > >  https://tieatl-server1.telx.com/lg.pl
> > >  etc...
> > >
> > >  not sure why this should be hidden ... but yes: there are some
> > >  ixp out there who does not show this information or just with a
> > >  login ...
> > >
> > >  Bernd
> > >  (yes ... I do work for de-cix)