Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

[joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>]

On 7/15/15 3:43 AM, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> On 15 July 2015 at 01:34, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
>
> > For one thing a /32 is nowhere near enough for anything bigger than a
> > modest ISP today. Many will need /28, /24, or even larger. The biggest ones
> > probably need /16 or even /12 in some cases.
>
> What is the definition of a modest and a large ISP?
>
> In the RIPE region even the smallest ISP can get a /29 with no
> documentation necessary. But likely that is all they will ever get because
> policy requires that you use that /29 at about 30% efficiency if you do /48
> allocations to end users.
>
> You would need more than a million users to get a /24.
>
> I do not think the RIPE region has an ISP large enough to apply for a /16
> or anything near it.

there are 4 organizations that originate something on the order of a /19

1     AS7922  ORG+TRN Originate: 36318243454976 /18.95  Transit:
38476054528 /28.84 COMCAST-7922 - Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.,US
2     AS3320  ORG+TRN Originate: 35219269156864 /19.00  Transit:
569424150528 /24.95 DTAG Deutsche Telekom AG,DE
3     AS5511  ORG+TRN Originate: 35188667187200 /19.00  Transit:
17818772963328 /19.98 OPENTRANSIT Orange S.A.,FR
4     AS17676 ORG+TRN Originate: 18695992639488 /19.91  Transit:
12885032960 /30.42 GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp.,JP


> Therefore we can conclude that if ARIN manages to use up all the /3 address
> space currently reserved for allocation, we will still be able to get
> address space in Europe for the next thousands years :-). It is thought
> that RIPE will not use up the /12 that IANA allocated to RIPE - ever.
>
> Personally I believe the ARIN policy is the sane one. But we need to abide
> by the rules in the region we live in.
>
> Regards,
>
> Baldur

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