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RE: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality


From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund () medline com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:49:23 +0000

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:
"My point is that the option should be there, at the consumer level."

Why?  What's magical about symmetry?  Is a customer better served by 
having a 5mbps/5mbps over a 25mbps/5mbps?

If the option sells, it will be offered.  It didn't.  We offer symmetric DLS residentially and it went over like a lead 
balloon.

"There are so many use cases for this, everything from personal game 
servers to on-line backups, that the lack of such offerings is an 
indication of an unhealthy market."

Until we get NAT out of the way, this is actually much harder to 
leverage than you might think.  I don't think there is anything 
special about

NAT is not that big an issue any more because everything from game server to backup software can deal with it.  No need 
to re-invent the wheel to get around NAT.  In fact, for backups it is completely a non-issue since there is going to be 
a client initiating the data push to a cloud server.

symmetrical bandwidth, I do think upstream bandwidth usage is going up 
and will continue to go up, but I don't see any evidence in actual 
performance stats or customers sentiment to show that it's going up as 
fast as downstream demand.

Of course, upstream bandwidth will increase but downstream will increase as much or I would suspect even more.  It is 
very simple to explain.  A song is uploaded to iTunes once and downloaded millions of times.  An HD movie is upload 
once and view many times.    Essentially whether it is music, video, web content, or any other media, it is normally an 
upload once download many operation.  

I am not saying that sometimes a residential user's traffic is not symmetric (Skype calls etc.) from time to time.   It 
is just not what most residential users are concentrated on.  As soon as people become more interested in high upload 
speeds, the market will react.  In fact, most carriers would love a more symmetric user to user environment because 
most carrier backbones have to be very over-engineered based on traffic toward the consumer.

Steven Naslund 
Chicago IL 

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