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Re: Low cost WDM gear
From: Faisal Imtiaz <faisal () snappytelecom net>
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 21:25:57 +0000 (GMT)
BTW, I hope you realize that FiberStore is not a mfg. but a "Seller/broker". they have to rely on the specs provided to them from the MFG. In the Far East, mfg, distribution, sales is organized is a slightly different manner than the West. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support () Snappytelecom net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth McRae" <kenneth.mcrae () me com> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal () snappytelecom net> Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" <rodrigo () 1telecom com br>, "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:01:29 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear
That's true up to a point. Specs are only as good as the entity providing the data. I can tell you a few stories about specs and some MAJOR fails by a major network equipment manufacturer failing to meet advertised specs. When you engage the engineering folks to assist in a build, they should know the true specs of their gear better than anyone else. If they say for a certain distance that A+B will work, then that is exactly what I expect.
That is pretty basic.
On Feb 07, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal () snappytelecom net> wrote:
More power to you ....
I always get a chuckle out of statements such as ... "Compared FiberStore to another Vendor"...
It was pointed out to me long time ago.... when someone said.. "My Chevy is better than a Ford"....Someone pointed out, hey, which Chevy ? the Chevette ? or the Corvette ? and Which Ford the Fiesta or Mustang ?
Every mfg. has a lots and lots of products, and they are always getting improved...
One has to pay attention to the specs.. even the same model products at different times don't have the same specs !
:)
Faisal ImtiazSnappy Internet & Telecom7266 SW 48 StreetMiami, FL 33155Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support () Snappytelecom net
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From: "Kenneth McRae" <kenneth.mcrae () me com>To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal () snappytelecom net>Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" <rodrigo () 1telecom com br>, "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:49:16 PMSubject: Re: Low cost WDM gear
That's why I engage the engineering resources on their end to make sure the chosen candidate will support the use case. I have now performed an A/B comparison and the FiberStore gear is inferior. Excessive loss on the mux and optics.
On Feb 07, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal () snappytelecom net> wrote:
If you pay close attention to the Spec Sheets, on power output, insertion loss, sensitivity, and do the proper calculation for your link, then using anyone's products, passive or active will work unless the devices do not meet specified specs.
If you don't do your homework, cals on the design, loss, and just buy stuff based on whatever, then it does not matter who the mfg. is, you are very very likely to be surprised in a bad way.
:)
Faisal ImtiazSnappy Internet & Telecom
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From: "Rodrigo 1telecom" < rodrigo () 1telecom com br >To: "Kenneth McRae" < kenneth.mcrae () me com >Cc: "NANOG" < nanog () nanog org >Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:24:43 PMSubject: Re: Low cost WDM gearWhat others vendors do you using? Here in Brazil only PADTEC have thispassive solution... Some days ago Digitel contact me to show your multiplexsolution... Is a active solution...We import this from fiberstore, but i don't know others vendors to buy 10Gsfp+ cwdm and this mux/demux...Enviado via iPhone Grupo ConnectowayEm 07/02/2015, às 16:04, Kenneth McRae < kenneth.mcrae () me com > escreveu:Hi Enviado,I cannot recommend FiberStore as I had a bad experience with them. Ineeded to cover only 3km from A to B side. When using 10km optics, I sawa loss of over 5db with their passive mux inserted into the path whichcreated a total loss of over -20db which is outside of the tolerances forour equipment with 10km SFP+. Using another vendors low insertion lossmux corrected our issue. I am sure if you are using an 80km optic, youmay be able to tolerate a higher insertion loss to cover < 60km. I alsonotice that their CDWM optics averaged about 3db less in power output whencompared to other vendors.ThanksKennethOn Feb 07, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Rodrigo 1telecom < rodrigo () 1telecom com brwrote:Hi kenneth... which the distance do you have from side A to side B whenyou using passive solutions from fiberstore( mux and demux)?I buy this mux and demux(4 channels single fiber) and only make a testabout 60km( mux side A and demux on side B) with sfp+10gb for 80km... (only see ddm on my ex3300( about -19db for 60km). Test switch access withssh and pinging tests...What kind os issue do you have? For distances less than 60km is thissolution good?Thanks!!!Enviado via iPhone Grupo ConnectowayEm 07/02/2015, às 14:55, Kenneth McRae < kenneth.mcrae () me com > escreveu:Mike,I just replaced a bunch of FiberStore WDM passive muxes with OSI Hardwareequipment. The FiberStore gear was a huge disappointment (excessiveloss, poor technical support, refusal to issue refund withoutthreatening legal action, etc.). I have had good results from the OSIequipment so far. I run passive muxes for CWDM (8 - 16 channels).On Feb 07, 2015, at 09:51 AM, Manuel Marín < mmg () transtelco net > wrote:Hi MikeI can recommend a couple of vendors that provide cost effectivesolutions.Ekinops & Packetlight.On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote:I know there are various Asian vendors for low cost (less than $500)muxesto throw 16 or however many colors onto a strand. However, they don'tworkso well when you don't control the optics used on both sides (thereforemust use standard wavelengths), obviously only do a handful of channelsandhave a distance limitation.What solutions are out there that don't cost an arm and a leg?-----Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com--TRANSTELCO| Manuel Marin | VP Engineering | US: *+1 915-217-2232* | MX:*+52656-257-1109*CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication is intended only for the useof the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may containinformation that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosureunder applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of thisinformation, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution,orcopying of the communication is strictly prohibited.AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Esta comunicación es sólo para el uso de lapersona o entidad a la que se dirige y puede contener informaciónprivilegiada, confidencial y exenta de divulgación bajo la legislaciónaplicable. Si no es el destinatario de esta información, se le notificaquecualquier uso, difusión, distribución o copia de la comunicación estáestrictamente prohibido.
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- Re: Low cost WDM gear Faisal Imtiaz (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Kenneth McRae (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Mike Hammett (Feb 07)
- Low cost WDM gear Kenneth McRae (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Kenneth McRae (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Faisal Imtiaz (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Simon Lockhart (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Faisal Imtiaz (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Faisal Imtiaz (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Kenneth McRae (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Faisal Imtiaz (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Faisal Imtiaz (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Kenneth McRae (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Faisal Imtiaz (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Kenneth McRae (Feb 07)
- Re: Low cost WDM gear Kenneth McRae (Feb 07)