Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile

[Lee Howard <Lee () asgard org>]

On 12/22/15, 1:13 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Owen DeLong"
<nanog-bounces () nanog org on behalf of owen () delong com> wrote:

> Yet until Apple gets to that IPv6-only stage, you¹re refusing to support
> IPv6 for those of us
> that need it today even while we still need IPv4, too.
>
> Owen


Owen, you¹re out of line.

Lee



> > On Dec 22, 2015, at 10:08 , Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 22, 2015, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com
> > <mailto:owen () delong com>> wrote:
> > Does this mean you are negligent for not supporting IPv6 on my phone on
> > your network?
> >
> > My phone is perfectly capable of IPv6, yet because it doesn¹t support
> > your particular religion
> > about IPv4 translation, you refuse to support IPv6 on it.
> >
> > When is T-Mobile going to fix their IPv6 implementation and stop
> > ignoring the #1 market
> > leading phone manufacturer?
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> > Apple has an ipv6-only plan in the link above. They have committed to
> > remove the ipv4 dependent apps from the app store. Once the ipv4-only
> > apps are bannished, i dont see any roadblocks for ipv6 on iPhone.
> >
> > While you say there is a religious war, i am saying Apple outlined a
> > plan for ipv6-only and T-Mobile is likely to follow that plan from
> > Apple. 
> >
> > CB
> >
> >  
> > > On Dec 22, 2015, at 04:45 , Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > > TL;DR version: the data shows you are negligent if your eyeball
> > content
> > > (cdn, cloud, ...) does  not support native ipv6.
> > >
> > > With the NAT and IPv4 leasing threads lingering on, i figured it was
> > time
> > > for an update on how the other half live
> > >
> > > More than 1/3 of North America mobile traffic to the top websites is
> > end to
> > > end ipv6
> > http://www.worldipv6launch.org/2015-wrapup-more-than-13-us-mobile-traffic
> > -is-ipv6-and-still-growing/
> > <http://www.worldipv6launch.org/2015-wrapup-more-than-13-us-mobile-traffi
> > c-is-ipv6-and-still-growing/>
> > > The trend is clearly growing, and as AT&T and Sprint catch up with
> > T-Mobile
> > > and Verizon, the acceleration to 50% should be easily achieved.
> > > Furthermore, only one mobile carrier has iPhone dual-stacked today
> > (afaik),
> > > but Apple has a plan for banning ipv4-only apps and has delivered the
> > > required features for having ipv6-only iphones in 2016 with these iOS
> > 9.2
> > > features
> > https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingInternetW
> > eb/Conceptual/NetworkingOverview/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Trans
> > ition/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transition.html
> > <https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingInternet
> > Web/Conceptual/NetworkingOverview/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Tran
> > sition/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transition.html>
> > > On some mobile providers, ipv6 is already dominant and ipv4 is
> > waning. Once
> > > iPhones updates to ipv6-only as described above, ipv4 will only be a
> > corner
> > > case of operations.  This comes with added benefit that ipv6 is
> > faster :
> > >
> > https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-on
> > -board/ 
> > <https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-o
> > n-board/>
> > > At least in mobile, the change to ipv6 has been quick and the pace is
> > > increasing -- not just on ipv6 deployment but also on ipv4 shutdown.
> > I know
> > > many people liken ipv6 to "the boy who cried wolf", so be it, the
> > > data shows the ipv6 wolf is here.  Or perhapsin hind   sight, we will
> > see
> > > the right metaphor was "the tortoise and the hare" or "the little
> > engine
> > > that could"... Or even better IPv4 is John Henry.  It was the best in
> > its
> > > time, but times have changed.
> > >
> > > CB