Re: CDN

[Mehmet Akcin <mehmet () akcin net>]

I think we both agree there is no perfect publication of where their servers actually are

Given Ahmed is asking "Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc, hosting their servers 
on other party providers?”

i think the answer you given which is 

> > > In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. 
> > > Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high 
> > > they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all.


good one

Mehmet

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net> wrote:
>
> I do not follow the logic.
>
> If a CDN says they have a gigantic peering node in DC, how does that tell you where they put on-net servers?
>
> Wouldn’t it make more sense to put servers on-net in OKC or SLC because they do _NOT_ have large peering nodes there? 
> Locality is important. Akamai has thousands of nodes in a hundred or so countries. While they have a lot of peering, 
> I have trouble thinking their nodes are all next to large IXPs. (OK, I know they are not, but let’s not get into 
> that.) Plus this seems very US/EU centric. What about places without a lot large IXPs, like South America, Africa, 
> South-East Asia, etc.?
>
> Finally, your logic seems a bit self-contradictory: “They won’t tell you where their big network nodes are. But if 
> you look in this free, public database, you can find their big network nodes."
>
> -- 
> TTFN,
> patrick
>
> > On Dec 19, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet () akcin net> wrote:
> >
> > I don’t think anyone really would tell where their critical network assets are but obviously you can guesstimate by 
> > looking where they have connection points available.
> >
> > > On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net> wrote:
> > >
> > > PeeringDB will tell you where they connect. I do not think anyone puts stuff into PeeringDB when they have on-net 
> > > nodes.
> > >
> > > In general, only the big three (Akamai, Netflix, Google) have significant deployments inside eyeball networks. 
> > > Exceptions to every rule and all that, but if you pick random large eyeball network, chances are very, very high 
> > > they have no one other than those three - if they have any at all.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > TTFN,
> > > patrick
> > >
> > > > On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet () akcin net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > looking at peeringdb -- http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=16509 might
> > > > give you an idea where they are.
> > > >
> > > > mehmet
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Ahmed Munaf <ahmed.dalaali () hrins net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know if AWS amazon “cloudfront”, cloud flare, Microsoft … etc,
> > > > > hosting their servers on other party providers?
> > > > > just like what GGC and Akamai do by hosting their servers on other ISP’s
> > > > > datacenter!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,