Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

[Ray Soucy <rps () maine edu>]

Sorry, I know I get long-winded.  That's why I don't post as much as I used
to. ;-)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:

> There's an op-ed piece in this posting, Ray. Do you want to write it, or
> should I?
>
> :-)
>
>
> On April 23, 2015 10:06:42 AM EDT, Ray Soucy <rps () maine edu> wrote:
> > It's amazing, really.
> >
> > Netflix and YouTube now overtake BitTorrent and all other file sharing
> > peer-to-peer traffic combined, even on academic networks, by order(s) of
> > magnitude.  The amount of peer-to-peer traffic is not even significant in
> > comparison.  It might as well be IRC from our perspective.
> >
> > Internet usage habits have shifted quite a bit in the past decade.  I
> > think the takeaway is that if you provide content in a way that is fairly
> > priced and convenient to access (e.g. DRM doesn't get in your way), most
> > people will opt for the legal route.  Something we were trying to explain
> > to the MPAA and RIAA years ago when they shoved the DMCA down our throats.
> >
> > I'm certainly in favor of symmetrical service.  I think there is a widely
> > held myth that DOS attacks will take down the Internet when everyone has
> > more bandwidth.  The fact is that DOS attacks are a problem regardless of
> > bandwidth, and throttling people isn't a solution.  The other (somewhat
> > insulting) argument that people will use greater upload speeds for illegal
> > activity is pretty bogus as well.
> >
> > The limit on upload bandwidth for most people is a roadblock to a lot of
> > the services that people will take for granted a decade from now; cloud
> > backup, residential video surveillance over IP, peer-to-peer high
> > definition video conferencing.  And likely a lot of things that we haven't
> > imagined yet.
> >
> > As funny as it sounds, I think Twitch (streaming video games) has been
> > the application that has made the younger generation care about their
> > upload speed more than anything else.  They now have a use case where their
> > limited upload is a real problem for them, and when they find out their ISP
> > can't provide anything good enough they get pretty upset about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk () iname com>
> > >
> > > > Those are measured at the campus boundary. I don't have visibility
> > > inside
> > > > the school's network to know who much intra-campus traffic there may
> > > be .
> > > > but we know that peer-to-peer is a small percentage of overall Internet
> > > > traffic flows, and streaming video remains the largets.
> > >
> > > BitTorrent makes special efforts to keep as much traffic local as
> > > possible,
> > > I understand; that probably isn't too helpful... except at scales like
> > > that
> > > on a resnet at a sizable campus.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -- jra
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