RE: Dealing with auditors (was Re: We hit half-million: The Cidr Report)

[David Hubbard <dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com>]

We just dealt with a vmware audit too; it was a joke.  In any case, the
thing I found curious with their auditor as well as a PCI QSA (fancy
auditor), is that neither entity seemed to know IPv6 exists.  The whole
time I'm thinking okay, now why aren't you investigating these same
attack vectors in IPv6?  Just another reason PCI is not necessarily
about security....

David

-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Ulf Zimmermann
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:36 PM
To: William Herrin
Cc: nanog () nanog org
Subject: Re: Dealing with auditors (was Re: We hit half-million: The
Cidr Report)

The auditors VMware sent to us were just as bad. To ensure we weren't
running "rogue" ESX(i) servers or WorkStation, they made us provide full
arp/cam tables. Then a list of the virtual machines. "Oh look, this MAC
isn't listed as one of your virtual machines". It isn't because it was
running on virtual box or something like that. Auditor didn't know you
could export a virtual machine from VMware and load it into another
visualization software and it would keep the VMware MAC ....



On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM, William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon () cox net>
> wrote:
> > On 4/30/2014 11:30 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
> > > And in that discussion, we ascertained that what the PCI standard
> actually
> > > says, and what you need to do in order to get unclued boneheaded
> auditors
> > > to sign the piece of paper, are two very different things.
> >
> > I am no longer active on the battlefield but as of the last time I 
> > was,
> it
> > can't be did.
> >
> > For years I managed various aspect of a UNIVAC 1100 operation and 
> > the
> audits
> > thereof.  EVERY TIME, we were dinged badly because we didn't look 
> > like an IBM shop (some may be surprised to learn that different 
> > hardware and different operating systems require very different 
> > operating procedures
> (and
> > it appeared to us that some of the things they wanted us to do would
> weaken
> > us badly, others just simply didn't make any sense, and we got 
> > dinged for things we DID do, because they were strange.
>
> I won the argument with PCI auditors about leaving telnet alive on my 
> exterior router (which at the time would have had to be replaced to 
> support ssh). It's not a chore for the timid. You'd better be a heck 
> of a guru before you challenge the auditors expectations and you'd 
> better be prepared for your boss' aggravation that the audit isn't 
> done yet.
>
> And I think we pretty well established that PCI auditors arrive 
> expecting to see NAT.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
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