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Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)
From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 03:57:26 +1100
In message <20140323051037.94159.qmail () joyce lan>, "John Levine" writes:
It will be a long time before the price of v4 rises high enough to make it worth the risk of going v6 only.New ISP's are born everyday. Some of them will be able to have a "Buy an ISP that has IPv4" or "Buy IPv4 space from known brokers" line item in their budget as part of their launch plans. Most won't.In Africa, I suppose, but here in North America, the few remaining ISPs that aren't part of giant cable or phone companies are hanging on by their teeth. Also, although it is fashionable to say how awful CGN is, the users don't seem to mind it at all.
Basically because none of them have ever been on the Internet proper where they can connect to their home machines from wherever they are in the world directly. If you don't know what it should be like you don't complain when you are not getting it. ISP's have done a good job of brain washing their customers into thinking that they shouldn't be able to run services from home. That all their machines shouldn't have a globally unique address that is theoritically reachable from everywhere. That NAT is normal and desiriable. I was at work last week and because I have IPv6 at both ends I could just log into the machines at home as easily as if I was there. When I'm stuck using a IPv4 only service on the road I have to jump through lots of hoops to reach the internal machines. Mark
R's, John
-- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka () isc org
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- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.), (continued)
- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Chris Knipe (Mar 22)
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- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Tore Anderson (Mar 23)
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- Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.) Mark Tinka (Mar 23)
- Re: misunderstanding scale Denis Fondras (Mar 23)
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